Trump’s Policies Have Shaken a Once-Solid Economic Outlook

[Into the Night]

And, it means losing our car industry.

....annnnnnd continuing your mindless chanting of what Democrats told you say.

The United States is not losing the automotive industry, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

No, I did not. I claimed they are on both sides of the border, with one side providing inputs to the other side.

A factory is not on both sides of any border, Wally. You care still locked in that paradox.

Factories take inputs and produce outputs. Is that good so far? Well, there are factories in the US that take inputs produced in Canada and Mexico. If those inputs are under tariff, then the US factories outputs will cost more.

Domestic parts are not subject to tariff, Wally. The parts are made in the automotive factory.

 

[Into the Night]

I was surprised at how many engines are manufactured in the U.S. Ford and Tesla especially.

Surprisingly, the most "American Made" vehicle in the US is the Tesla 3.

The engine forging and machining plant at Ford is an impressive sight to behold!
Subaru also makes cars in the United States, but the engine and drive train components currently come from Japan (2.5% tariff for them, and Trump has no plans to increase it).

The engines on Subaru and Toyota are aluminum with steel-nickle inserts. They could easily be made here if required.
Same with the entire drive train, including the transmission. The steel, aluminum, nickle, and the hardening processes are already available in the United States. So is the hydraulic oil these transmissions use.

The current factories in the United States can be expanded to include forging and machining the engine and drive train for these cars. The forms and tooling already exists. All you really need is a building to do it in.

 

[Into the Night]

Into the night has NO idea what he is talking about as I said I worked at a auto plant for about 40 years, started in production then became an industrial electrician and my wife was a tool and die maker .
And I had to go to different assembly plants to check out problems they were having with the parts we made, most of the time the problem was with how they were putting our parts on the cars and trucks.
It was fun.

Stop pretending, Tball.

 

[Into the Night]

After the UAW strikes of the 1970s, the Big Three automated. What was your impression of the transition of auto manufacturing over the past 40 years?

FWIW, Trump's nostalgic plan to "bring manufacturing back to America" will undoubtedly see mostly automated manufacturing. The means educated tech workers to program, monitor and fix the machines. Meanwhile, Trump is making America dumber by getting rid of the DOE.

So you want to go back to the 1970s, Sybil??

It's 2025.

 

[Into the Night]

I started in 1967 and back then is when we started putting in robots and back then they were not as fast or as reliable as a person but they did get them to work and it took off from there, our plant had over 7,000 people working in it back then now there is about 800 if that working there.
So as you said there won't be a lot of people hired or rehired by bringing " jobs " back to the USA.
Yes I am sure there will be some but not as many as Trump thinks there will be.
And just last week they laid off about 100 people because Trumps tariffs are already effecting the industry and sales are falling because the price of cars is going up because of the tariffs.
It doesn't look good for the US auto industry, there will be more lay offs down the line.

Stop pretending, Tball.

 

[Tbird19482]

yep Trump is doing great on the economy , Dow down another 260 points or so today , that is what well over 2000 , if not near 3000 points down since he took office.
Trump and his tariffs has got everybody that knows anything about the economy on edge.

 

[Walt]

A factory is not on both sides of any border, Wally. You care still locked in that paradox.

Domestic parts are not subject to tariff, Wally. The parts are made in the automotive factory.

A factory takes parts made in other factories, and assembles them into a bigger system. That bigger system might be a part used by another factory. The factories that feeds American factories are often in Mexico and Canada.

I am losing interest in Night's attempt to disrupt meaningful debate.

 

[Into the Night]

A factory takes parts made in other factories, and assembles them into a bigger system. That bigger system might be a part used by another factory. The factories that feeds American factories are often in Mexico and Canada.

I am losing interest in Night's attempt to disrupt meaningful debate.

There is no debate. Only conversations.

Automotive manufacturers make their own parts.
Domestic products are not subject to tariffs.

 

[Into the Night]

yep Trump is doing great on the economy , Dow down another 260 points or so today , that is what well over 2000 , if not near 3000 points down since he took office.
Trump and his tariffs has got everybody that knows anything about the economy on edge.

Argument from randU fallacy. Stop making up numbers. Your fear mongering won't work.

 

[Walt]

Automotive manufacturers make their own parts.
Domestic products are not subject to tariffs.

Your posts have no value. Of course car makers use subcontractors, and buy inputs from other companies. Even when they make their own parts, they often make them in Canada or Mexico. The American car makers have had 40 years to build a complex supply chain network that crosses the border many times. It cannot be changed in 30 days.

 

[Into the Night]

Your posts have no value.

Bulverism fallacy.

Of course car makers use subcontractors, and buy inputs from other companies.

Domestic products are not subject to tariff, Wally.

Even when they make their own parts,

They do.

they often make them in Canada or Mexico.

They are made in the United States, Wally.

The American car makers have had 40 years to build a complex supply chain network that crosses the border many times. It cannot be changed in 30 days.

It's already done, Wally.

 

[Tbird19482]

Argument from randU fallacy. Stop making up numbers. Your fear mongering won't work.

Here ASSHOLE look and see for yourself.

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260 points DOWN yesterday.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So you want to go back to the 1970s, Sybil??

It's 2025.

 

[EdwinA]

I'd agree w/ that - but it's way too late.

We're never "paying down" $36T. I mean, it seems like they're cutting tons right now - but it's not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

Obviously you have no idea how large the U.S. economy is. Most left and right wingers don't. Not that this means debt is good, just a fact, and it can be paid off rather easily in 20 years or less painlessly.