So we have a US born American citizen being held without trial

FastLane said:
John A. Bingham wrote the 14th and was politically very active for many years after 1868 yet he never said one word about Indians not becoming American citizens despite the fact that they were born after 1868.
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All American indians are citizens of America.
Ones living on a reservation are also citizens of the United States.
 
FastLane said:
Illegals aren't permanent citizens of the US and are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country, as are their offspring. Brigham was politically very active for more than a decade after writing the 14th yet he never commented about why Indians including those born off the reservation were not considered to be US citizens. The Federal government has always had jurisdiction on reservations. Federal Marshals have always been able to investigate crime and arrest on reservations. If they went by your definition of the 14th there would have been no need for the Snyder Act of 1925.

American Indian reservations are autonomous from state governments but subject to federal regulation. They are governed by their own tribal governments, which are recognized by the federal government. However, federal law still applies to reservation lands, and the federal government holds title to the land in trust for the tribe.
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And THAT makes them citizens of the United States and of their tribe (and the confederation of tribes, if any), but NOT of the State(s) where the reservation is located.

Thus, a child of Squamish parents is a citizen of the Squamish tribe, and the Tulalip confederation of tribes, and of the United States, but NOT of the State of Washington.

Thus...they get to vote for their confederate leaders, and for federal elections, but cannot participate in electing any State officers, including the governor. (Squamish leaders are not elected)
 
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
If we accept your definition then what does this mean?

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution ...
;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The courts have jurisdiction over ALL cases and all controversies involving the United States. If there is a question about foreigners being in the US then that is a controversy that involves the US which means that the Constitution says US Courts have jurisdiction. That means that the courts have jurisdiction over foreigners in the US which clearly shows that the foreigners are subject to the jurisdiction of the US and US courts. If the courts have no jurisdiction then the US can't deport them since the US would have no jurisdiction.
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The Supreme Court has NO authority over any constitution.
 
FastLane said:
You know if you would not jump in mid conversation you would not say dumb things as much. Try reading the whole conversation before attempting to respond next time.
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I did.

The United States of America is NOT America (a continent).

People born in Mexico, Canada, El Salvador, Brazil, etc. are citizens of America.
NONE of them are citizens of the United States (unless the immigrate here and apply for and are granted citizenship).

While the argument seems to center around the 14th amendment (which does not grant citizenship to anyone, and IBD is currently locked in a paradox on this), everyone seems to be ignoring Articles I and II, which gives CONGRESS authority to determine when and how citizenship is granted, and the President authority to enforce the laws of Congress.

What tends to get forgotten here is that Biden broke most of the immigration laws, and committed an act of treason by inviting an invasion of the United States.


Now, as to what happened in Florida (which this thread is actually about!):

Florida State troopers conducted a traffic stop. They imprisoned the driver (unlawfully) for being an 'illegal alien' entering Florida (from Georgia??), using a 'law' passed in the State of Florida, which attempted to usurp the authority of the United States and Congress. That law is unconstitutional. Florida has NO authority to usurp the authority of the United States in enforcing and protecting it's borders. Only Congress and the President have that authority.

The man spend 24 hours in a jail before being released via federal court order. He has ample grounds to sue the State of Florida. He is a citizen of the United States and of the State of Georgia.
 
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Bai Lan said:
deal with important points.

they are under our jurisdiction.

as such they should have been immediately deported.

not allowed to stay one moment.

all this stems from allowing them to cross at non points of entry.

you neocon open borders fuckfaces allowed this to happen.
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Go learn English.
 
Into the Night said:
The Supreme Court has NO authority over any constitution.
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Apparently Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist Bicentennial Fourth Reich July thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists are granted standing for George Washington University Hospital Washington D.C. born USA citizens are Islam for Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom “serve the Pope or die” fabricated stolen voting ballot in Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip which continues with Trumpanzees Trumpanazis Trumpamengele one must vote as Islam for Christiananality pedophilia not so master race not so master plan one nation under God with no equal justice under color of law Islamidiotocracy pedophilia Valhalla……..
 
dancindave said:
Apparently Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist Bicentennial Fourth Reich July thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists are granted standing for George Washington University Hospital Washington D.C. born USA citizens are Islam for Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom “serve the Pope or die” fabricated stolen voting ballot in Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip which continues with Trumpanzees Trumpanazis Trumpamengele one must vote as Islam for Christiananality pedophilia not so master race not so master plan one nation under God with no equal justice under color of law Islamidiotocracy pedophilia Valhalla……..
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Random words. No apparent coherency.
 
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