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FastLane said:
Well Catholic are salvation by works. "say 20 Hail Marys and your sins will be forgiven"
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Nah, this is misinterpreted and purposefully so, you can tell as the Lutherans didn't change such things. That in this world we also have to pay a bit for our transgressions.. Your confession will not get you off on murder, unless you also turn yourself in... This doesn't mean your "works" are gaining you forgiveness, it means you must actually show you repent by taking responsibility for what you have done and paying the worldly price.

Essentially you are not paying for your forgiveness, as that comes through Grace, you are acting in contrition and demonstrating repentance rather than just saying words and walking away. Repent doesn't just mean saying "I'm sorry" it means actually being sorry, penance isn't the path to Grace, it demonstrates that you are indeed contrite.
 
christiefan915 said:
He's refused to say. He argues for Sabbatarian theology so I'm guessing Seventh Day Adventist.
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It is one of these

Seventh-day Sabbatarian Pentecostalists
Seventh-day Sabbatarian British Israelites / (Armstrongism)
Judaizers
 
Damocles said:
It's possible you remain ignorant about my past, and that you know very little about me therefore... I speak to my own experience, not the experience of others. You can particularly be sure of this when I say something like, "In all those sermons I had to listen to" (you cannot otherwise translate them into sign language)... followed by something I experienced, that I am talking about something I experienced, I'm not quoting, I'm not interpreting the words of another I am speaking to my own experience, because I cannot speak to the experience of another.
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Oh, ok, Damocles. I'll take your word for it because I don't have a reason that matters to believe otherwise. I just find it both highly improbable and also miraculous that you haven't heard anti-Catholic rhetoric in other Christian settings. You could start by reading this thread in which you are already active. It's also possible that you haven't engaged yourself in other Christian settings except in the sewer we call JPP. In any case, I accept your explanation.
 
Diesel said:
Oh, ok, Damocles. I'll take your word for it because I don't have a reason that matters to believe otherwise. I just find it both highly improbable and also miraculous that you haven't heard anti-Catholic rhetoric in other Christian settings. You could start by reading this thread in which you are already active. It's also possible that you haven't engaged yourself in other Christian settings except in the sewer we call JPP. In any case, I accept your explanation.
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This thread is not the pulpit, none of these people are pastors. I spoke to what I heard from the pulpit, hence my use of the actual world "pulpit". She also spoke to her experience with people who were not speaking from the pulpit and how most of what she was talking about came from that. I heard that and didn't try to speak to that, it is her experience, and with that I learned something about her.

Now, you can continue to just assume stuff, or you can read what I wrote and understand that in this I am speaking about my own experience, or you can focus on whatever aspect of me you find "lacking", I don't particularly care. I explained, what you do from here on out is on you. It isn't likely that I will continue to talk about you though, I find conversations about people I know boring and little more than gossip. I prefer to speak to ideas, which I've rather enjoyed in this thread despite some weird focus of others on personality rather than information.
 
anonymoose said:
That’s right Diseasel (a word that triggers you). lol
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My screen name is Diesel, but you can call me whatever you want. The last time we had this conversation I thought there was a chance that I gave one tiny shit about anything you have to say. That ship has sailed. Knock yourself out, kiddo. :ROFLMAO:
 
Damocles said:
Nah, this is misinterpreted and purposefully so, you can tell as the Lutherans didn't change such things. That in this world we also have to pay a bit for our transgressions.. Your confession will not get you off on murder, unless you also turn yourself in... This doesn't mean your "works" are gaining you forgiveness, it means you must actually show you repent by taking responsibility for what you have done and paying the worldly price.

Essentially you are not paying for your forgiveness, as that comes through Grace, you are acting in contrition and demonstrating repentance rather than just saying words and walking away. Repent doesn't just mean saying "I'm sorry" it means actually being sorry, penance isn't the path to Grace, it demonstrates that you are indeed contrite.
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See I think if you are contrite a ask for forgiveness that saying X number of hail Marys make no difference because Christ has already forgiven you. Why would priests tell people to say hail Marys and then your sins are forgiven.
 
Damocles said:
One fundie told me that God softens or hardens the heart and therefore if God wanted me to be saved I would be...

Basically told me that I don't believe because God rejected me.
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Being "saved" is hard for me to understand because it eliminates so many people, good people, who aren't part of that belief system. That's another fundie belief I've heard about Catholics, that we're not "saved."
 
Damocles said:
This thread is not the pulpit, none of these people are pastors. I spoke to what I heard from the pulpit, hence my use of the actual world "pulpit". She also spoke to her experience with people who were not speaking from the pulpit and how most of what she was talking about came from that. I heard that and didn't try to speak to that, it is her experience, and with that I learned something about her.

Now, you can continue to just assume stuff, or you can read what I wrote and understand that in this I am speaking about my own experience, or you can focus on whatever aspect of me you find "lacking", I don't particularly care. I explained, what you do from here on out is on you. It isn't likely that I will continue to talk about you though, I find conversations about people I know boring and little more than gossip. I prefer to speak to ideas, which I've rather enjoyed in this thread despite some weird focus of others on personality rather than information.
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I'm just trying to provide food for thought. People generally believe what they have been taught. A different point of view is interesting as long as you can defend your point of view. When you can't it becomes threatening.
 
anonymoose said:
I don’t see even Bowel being called that ‘every day’. Although she deserves it the way she stalks TOP, who doesn’t even acknowledge her.
And you say you and Phan get called that every day? I’m not here that much but that sounds like a big stretch.
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The word itself is used everyday and often toward the liberal women here. Better? And you're delusional if you think Top doesn't stalk anyone here. She was just stalking Jarod and Walt a week ago. Plus, she reads everything we lib women write, and than snarks about it on her safe thread.

Note this comment by Top in this thread. If she's not bothered by the "c" word, why are you?
TOP said:
Never....She dropped out of that "war" as I recall... That's what she said...🤣 So i'm not sure why it's even being brought up...
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Oh yeah @TOP, your pal Fast Lane is the one who brought it up, so ask him.
 
christiefan915 said:
Being "saved" is hard for me to understand because it eliminates so many people, good people, who aren't part of that belief system. That's another fundie belief I've heard about Catholics, that we're not "saved."
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Christie when people tell you that tell them it is not their place to judge who is saved it is Christ's place. And as I said before a lot of sincer well meaning Catholics will be in heaven IMHO
Act 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
 
FastLane said:
It is one of these

Seventh-day Sabbatarian Pentecostalists
Seventh-day Sabbatarian British Israelites / (Armstrongism)
Judaizers
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Which one, pussy?
 
FastLane said:
See I think if you are contrite a ask for forgiveness that saying X number of hail Marys make no difference because Christ has already forgiven you. Why would priests tell people to say hail Marys and then your sins are forgiven.
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They do not. They believe that repentance is an activity, not just words. Forgiveness comes through Grace, your penance is simply part of the repentance.
 
FastLane said:
In all fairness it isn't just about the clothes or even the golden cup. There are a lot more identifying points. A big one for me is in the Bible the true Church is symbolized as a virgin bride. The opposite of that is a whore. The whore in Rev 17 is the "mother of harlots" . So we have an impure Church, one that teaches error, wearing the colors reserved for royalty (purple and scarlet) carrying a golden cup and birthing multiple other impure churches. Watch your TV the next couple of weeks for the trappings. And history shows us the church that most protestant churches split from. Then there is the marking war with the saints. The inquisition would met that point also. So there are lots of points that match up.
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Read this article to learn what Catholics believe about Revelation.

"As Christians, we believe the world will end someday, human history will draw to a conclusion, the Second Coming of Christ will definitively destroy the forces of evil, sin and death, God will pronounce a final decision on human conduct and the Kingdom of God will shine in resplendent fullness forever. A casual reader can easily be confused by the Book of Revelation with its fantastic accounts of terrifying plagues, cosmic signs, hard-fought battles between good and evil and heavenly images beyond our imagining.

Catholics interpret this final book of the Bible far differently than some of our Christian brethren in that we see its meaning as symbolic, rather than literal. So what does the Book of Revelation or the Apocalypse say to us? What are its lessons?

1. The struggle between good and evil, Christ and Satan, will go on until the end of the world. Why God allows evil to seemingly have its way may often remain a mystery to us, especially when we bear the brunt of its power. Our individual lives and the history of the world are a complex mixture of divine grace, human freedom, generous love, tragic sinfulness and true evil. The parable of the weeds among the wheat comes to mind.

2. Our earthly liturgical worship is a participation in the life and activity of heaven. In “The Lamb’s Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth,” Scott Hahn writes movingly how his conversion to Catholicism was triggered by the startling realization that most of the prayers and rites of the Mass come from the Book of Revelation.

3. Our actions and words in this life radically matter and we will be judged on all of them. Many people think everyone will be automatically saved. “God is all good, he loves me and will forgive me everything in the end.” Obviously, God is rich in mercy and pardon, yet he is also just.

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To Catholics, Revelation’s end times are symbolic, not literal - Catholic Herald

As we move through the dark, short, leafless days of November, our thoughts may turn toward the brevity of summer [...]
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