Why? I don't need that to be forgiven do you?
Papal front runners. If the Black guy becomes the next pope, white Republicans will scream DEI till their buttholes explode
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Dutch Uncle
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Agreed. So why have you turned away from God and put your faith in your Orange Jesus?
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Jeezuz. He openly admits it! ^A common thing for demented drunks to say. IIrony
christiefan915
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Apples and oranges.
Diesel
Well-known member
Didn't you just say that you use quotation marks to maintain the integrity of other people's words, not be a passive aggressive bitch? The reader will note that I did not say the word "lacking". But if the shoe fits . . .
You are not an "ideas" person, but you would do well to look up what Eleanor Roosevelt said about discourse. You are a Trump-fellating, indirect, and feckless administrator who attempts to position yourself as superior to the posters with whom you disagree, which, as most members have noted, is incomprehensibly different from the person you acted to be a year ago.
Again, I don't know that you're a liar, but I do know that I don't believe you. That should be good enough for both of us. Your opinions about the papacy are disingenuous.
Dutch Uncle
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LOL Wow. You really are slow today, rapeymouse. That must be a doozy of a hangover.
Dutch Uncle
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Ms. Fat Lane keeps proving she's a faux Christian. A MAGAt white nationalist.
christiefan915
Catalyst
How would you interpret this from the NT?
[T]he disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
John 20:20-23 (italics added for emphasis)
Are you aware the Protestant Church identified the Catholic Church as the whore of Babylon during the reformation.(Historicism) This caused a huge number of people to leave the Catholic Church. So in its desperation the Catholic Church developed Preterism and Futurism because Preterism puts things in the past and Futurism places them in the future both taking the spotlight off the Catholic Church.Read this article to learn what Catholics believe about Revelation.
"As Christians, we believe the world will end someday, human history will draw to a conclusion, the Second Coming of Christ will definitively destroy the forces of evil, sin and death, God will pronounce a final decision on human conduct and the Kingdom of God will shine in resplendent fullness forever. A casual reader can easily be confused by the Book of Revelation with its fantastic accounts of terrifying plagues, cosmic signs, hard-fought battles between good and evil and heavenly images beyond our imagining.
Catholics interpret this final book of the Bible far differently than some of our Christian brethren in that we see its meaning as symbolic, rather than literal. So what does the Book of Revelation or the Apocalypse say to us? What are its lessons?
1. The struggle between good and evil, Christ and Satan, will go on until the end of the world. Why God allows evil to seemingly have its way may often remain a mystery to us, especially when we bear the brunt of its power. Our individual lives and the history of the world are a complex mixture of divine grace, human freedom, generous love, tragic sinfulness and true evil. The parable of the weeds among the wheat comes to mind.
2. Our earthly liturgical worship is a participation in the life and activity of heaven. In “The Lamb’s Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth,” Scott Hahn writes movingly how his conversion to Catholicism was triggered by the startling realization that most of the prayers and rites of the Mass come from the Book of Revelation.
3. Our actions and words in this life radically matter and we will be judged on all of them. Many people think everyone will be automatically saved. “God is all good, he loves me and will forgive me everything in the end.” Obviously, God is rich in mercy and pardon, yet he is also just.
To Catholics, Revelation’s end times are symbolic, not literal - Catholic Herald
As we move through the dark, short, leafless days of November, our thoughts may turn toward the brevity of summer [...]catholicherald.org
Asking someone to defend a statement on a debate site is not stalking.
I don't believe in your religion. And, yes. You, sort of, do. Repentance is more than just saying "i'm sorry", you must reject and turn away from the sin. Repentance is a requirement for forgiveness, they believe that those acts are part of repentance, you do not. However, I have yet to meet a fundamentalist pastor that will not tell you that repentance is more than just saying "I'm sorry".
christiefan915
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You know if this were a real-life conversation I wouldn't argue theology with you. People believe what they believe. On JPP I remember being critical of one belief system and that's Scientology. True or not, I've read there are more than 200 Christian denominations in the US only. We could spend our entire lives picking each one apart, and it would all be for nothing.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
It’s becoming clear now.
You were kicked out of the army after six years for chronic inebriation, sexual harassment, insubordination and possibly, probably one other offense which I won’t go into here based on your almost constant references accusing others with no evidence or verification of the same offenses.
You showed the navy that you completed rehab so they allowed you in the reserves for a weekend a month desk job. That allowed you to drink yourself blind most of the time.
Now that you’re “retired” you have almost no contact with real life human interaction so you post here 100 X’s a day , mostly in your hideous looking g.f.’s thread (I’ve seen her photo), watch TCM all day while sipping wine staying in a constant low state of cloudy drunkenness.
I estimate 21/2 bottles per day starting soon after you arise and continuing until you fall asleep.
What a life.
christiefan915
Catalyst
And there you have it. "The Protestant Church identified..." so that makes it true. The Protestant Church was created by men and men are fallible.
1. Forgiveness and Personal Offenses: God's forgiving disposition is expected to be practiced by human beings. Jesus said: "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him" (Luke 17:3, 4).* This generous spirit is modeled after God's infinite disposition to forgive us our sins: "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you" (Eph. 4:32).
2. Forgiveness and Church Discipline: Although the verb "to forgive" is not employed in Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, the context of the last verse suggests that the authority to "bind" and to "loose" includes the idea of disciplining members or forgiving the offenses of those who repented. This responsibility was given to the church and not to a particular individual within the church. It is true that at first Jesus was addressing Peter (Matt. 16:19), but the same was said to the disciples (Matt. 18:18) and through them to the church. The text could be translated literally: "Whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." The church's decision must reflect a decision previously made in heaven. This is possible only through a knowledge of God's will as revealed in the Scriptures.
3. Forgiveness and the Proclamation of the Gospel: John 20:23 does not seem to fit either of the two previous cases. Yes, Jesus is addressing the disciples, but they stand in the text as representatives of the church(es). Through them Jesus is instructing the church.
First, we must examine the context. After the Resurrection Jesus appears to the disciples, greets them, and says, "As the Father has sent me, I am sending you" (John 20:27). Then He gives them the Holy Spirit. Jesus is commissioning the disciples, incorporating them into the mission the Father entrusted to Him. They are empowered through the Spirit: "If they forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven" (verse 23). They are to go out to the world and forgive or not forgive sins.
Second, there is nothing in the text to suggest that Jesus is instituting the ecclesiastical practice of auricular confession, or the absolution of postbaptismal sins by a church officer. Those are later developments in the life of the postapostolic church and should not be read into this text.
Third, John knows that when we confess our sins to God they are forgiven through Christ (1 John 1:9). Christ continues to be our atoning sacrifice before the Father, and the forgiving power of His sacrifice is not temporally limited in any way (1 John 2:1, 2; 4:10).
Finally, since Christ's command to the disciples is in fact the evangelical commission, we can use other biblical passages dealing with that commission to interpret John 20:23. In other words, clearer passages should be used in order to understand a difficult one better. In this case Luke 24:47 is useful.
After His resurrection Christ appeared to the disciples and said to them: "Repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." The disciples and the church forgive sins in the sense that they confront humanity with the gospel of judgment and salvation (John 3:16; 12:31). Individuals react to that proclamation, and the church decides who is to join it and who is not to join it.
In other words, the authority bestowed on the church by Christ—to forgive or not to forgive—is the authority to preach the gospel and to decide who can or cannot be baptized. It is a tremendous responsibility that should not be taken lightly.*Bible texts in this article are quoted from the New International Version.
christiefan915
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It is when you follow them around for days, demanding an answer. And it's funny, many times someone asks Top for a link to one of her outrageous claims and she never follows through.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
No one dies or has died for another's sins means that individuals are individually accountable for their actions and are not punished for the sins of others. This is rooted in the Tanakh and is further emphasized in the writings of the Prophets, particularly in Ezekiel 18.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Although I'm a non-believer, I'm ethnically Catholic via my Sicilian heritage,
and I largely accept New Testament moral teachings,
part of which makes me a socialist.
Fundamentalist Christians, for the most part,
thoroughly reject socialism,
and in so doing, also reject New Testament moral teachings.
Socially, almost all of my social friends have been white,
mostly Italian-American,
but I have NEVER supported de jure discrimination against ANY ethnicity
and I've had casual work or school friends that comprised a totally diverse group.
That's also totally normal, by the way, not a thing over which I congratulate myself.
Only in my union activities did I have a diverse variety of close associates,
and I loved immersing myself in my union activities.
Basically, not being religious, I don't find religion to be a major factor
in a well-rounded person's social interaction.
One either has a moral code that's
compatible with largely accepted societal values or doesn't,
and everybody's native society isn't the same either.
I hope the Catholic Cardinals choose a Pope with benign social values,
but it will not affect my life as what the mutants put in the Oval Office diminishes my life.
and I largely accept New Testament moral teachings,
part of which makes me a socialist.
Fundamentalist Christians, for the most part,
thoroughly reject socialism,
and in so doing, also reject New Testament moral teachings.
Socially, almost all of my social friends have been white,
mostly Italian-American,
but I have NEVER supported de jure discrimination against ANY ethnicity
and I've had casual work or school friends that comprised a totally diverse group.
That's also totally normal, by the way, not a thing over which I congratulate myself.
Only in my union activities did I have a diverse variety of close associates,
and I loved immersing myself in my union activities.
Basically, not being religious, I don't find religion to be a major factor
in a well-rounded person's social interaction.
One either has a moral code that's
compatible with largely accepted societal values or doesn't,
and everybody's native society isn't the same either.
I hope the Catholic Cardinals choose a Pope with benign social values,
but it will not affect my life as what the mutants put in the Oval Office diminishes my life.
Dutch Uncle
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LOL If you weren't such a demented drunk, you'd realize DFAS doesn't cut checks to those thrown out of military.
If my life was that bad, what do you call the poor, hopeless rapists who follow me around and keep track of my posts? The poor fools who let me live in their heads 24/7?