Oh no, someone I do not respect does not think I am very bright
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Never Right Walter, wrong again.
I don’t think you are very bright either, Never Right Walter.Oh no, someone I do not respect does not think I am very bright
Otherwise, you would be right…sometimes.
The honest to God truth is I would be very upset if you thought I was bright.
Into the Night
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America is not an empire, Hawk.
Scott
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If Russia had support in Ukraine, then they could have had a coup to put their guy in power. And that would not be an invasion by Russia.Tell me, if the U.S. helps orchestrate a coup that removes the elected President of a country, would that not count as starting a war? Or does it only count if tanks roll in?
Bullets were certainly flying before the Ukrainian President was removed, and there's clear indications that the U.S. was backing those responsible for most of the killing:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.www.globalresearch.ca
Russia did have support in Ukraine, which is why Viktor Yanukovych was the elected President of Ukraine in 2014. The U.S. decided to help orchestrate a coup to remove him from power. The evidence of this is quite clear: 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power, U.S. officials were already planning on who was going to replace him. From one of the articles I've linked to previously:
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7/2/2014 – A recorded phone call between Nuland and Pyatt is leaked to the press, famously dubbed the “fuck the EU” call.
In the conversation, dated January 28th, Nuland and Pyatt discuss at length the structure of the Ukrainian cabinet once Yanukovych is gone. This is still 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power
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Full article:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
off-guardian.org
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Scott
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Your suspicions actually appear to coincide with what Hawkeye has been hearing, which is that Ukraine got help from Europe on their operation, not the U.S.
Scott
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Not officially no, but US imperialism is a very well known concept. Wikipedia has an article on it here:
US imperialism - Wikipedia
You may also find it educational to see the following wikipedia article:
Reality-based community - Wikipedia
Quoting from the second one, highlighting the most relevant part in orange:
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In a 2004 article appearing in the New York Times Magazine, Suskind wrote:
International relations scholar Fred Halliday writes that the phrase reality-based community (in contrast to faith-based community) was used "for those who did not share [the Bush administration's] international goals and aspirations". Suskind has maintained his refusal to name the speaker, but the source of the quotation was widely speculated to be Bush's senior advisor Karl Rove.
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Into the Night
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America is not a dictatorship.
Wikipedia summarily dismissed. American is not a dictatorship.Wikipedia has an article on it here:
US imperialism - Wikipedia
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Wikipedia summarily dismissed. Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'real' and 'reality' mean and how they are defined.You may also find it educational to see the following wikipedia article:
Reality-based community - Wikipedia
Buzzword fallacies. Void reference fallacy.
Putin is keeping the dead US brass on ice, along with the rank and file that were killed in Kursk wearing Ukraine uniforms. Why do you think Trump is so pissed? He couldn't make a deal to bring them home. You need to be asking those who follow this questions instead of parroting CIA propaganda.
Scott
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America is not a dictatorship.Not officially no, but US imperialism is a very well known concept. Wikipedia has an article on it here:
US imperialism - Wikipedia
You may also find it educational to see the following wikipedia article:
Reality-based community - Wikipedia
Quoting from the second one, highlighting the most relevant part in orange:
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In a 2004 article appearing in the New York Times Magazine, Suskind wrote:
International relations scholar Fred Halliday writes that the phrase reality-based community (in contrast to faith-based community) was used "for those who did not share [the Bush administration's] international goals and aspirations". Suskind has maintained his refusal to name the speaker, but the source of the quotation was widely speculated to be Bush's senior advisor Karl Rove.
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No one here has said it was. As you may recall, Hawkeye had said:
Whereupon you said that America wasn't an empire and that's where I put in my 2 cents in post #128.
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LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
It's like all trumptard cult members are all competing in a stupid contest!
Into the Night
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I'm not denying my posts. Your 2 cents basically agreed with Hawk.
America is not an empire, dictatorship, or imperial anything.
Scott
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No one said you were.
The caveat is that I made it clear that the U.S. is not -officially- an Empire. I found a rather good article on the matter on Wikipedia. I imagine you'll just say it's spam, but I think it's good to put it out there, as I think it's good information and others reading this may find it interesting:
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United States of America
Further information: American imperialismContemporaneously, the concept of empire is politically valid, yet is not always used in the traditional sense. One of widely discussed cases is the United States. Characterizing aspects of the US in regards to its territorial expansion, foreign policy, and its international behavior as "American Empire" is common. The term "American Empire" refers to the United States' cultural ideologies and foreign policy strategies. The term is most commonly used to describe the U.S.'s status since the 20th century, but it can also be applied to the United States' world standing before the rise of nationalism in the 20th century. The US itself was at one point a colony in the British Empire. Thomas Jefferson used the term "Empire of Liberty" and argued that "no constitution was ever before so well calculated as ours for extensive empire & self government". Jefferson in the 1780s while awaiting the fall of the Spanish empire, said: "till our population can be sufficiently advanced to gain it from them piece by piece".
Even so, the ideology that the US was founded on anti-imperialist principles has prevented many from acknowledging America's status as an empire. This active rejection of imperialist status is not limited to high-ranking government officials, as it has been ingrained in American society throughout its entire history. As David Ludden explains, "journalists, scholars, teachers, students, analysts, and politicians prefer to depict the U.S. as a nation pursuing its own interests and ideals". This often results in imperialist endeavors being presented as measures taken to enhance state security. Ludden explains this phenomenon with the concept of "ideological blinders", which he says prevent American citizens from realizing the true nature of America's current systems and strategies. These "ideological blinders" that people wear have resulted in an "invisible" American empire of which most American citizens are unaware. Besides its anti-imperialist principles, the United States is not traditionally recognized as an empire, because the U.S. adopted a different political system from those that previous empires had used.
Despite the anti-imperial ideology and systematic differences, the political objectives and strategies of the United States government have been quite similar to those of previous empires. Throughout the 19th century, the United States government attempted to expand its territory by any means necessary. Regardless of the supposed motivation for this constant expansion, all of these land acquisitions were carried out by imperialistic means. This was done by financial means in some cases, and by military force in others. Most notably, the Louisiana Purchase (1803), the Texas Annexation (1845), and the Mexican Cession (1848) highlight the imperialistic goals of the United States during this "modern period" of imperialism. The U.S. government has stopped adding additional territories, where they permanently and politically take over since the early 20th century, and instead have established 800 military bases as their outposts. With this overt but subtle military control of other countries, scholars consider U.S. foreign policy strategies to be imperialistic. Academic Krishna Kumar argues that the distinct principles of nationalism and imperialism may result in common practice; that is, the pursuit of nationalism can often coincide with the pursuit of imperialism in terms of strategy and decision making. Stuart Creighton Miller posits that the public's sense of innocence about Realpolitik (politics based on practical considerations, rather than ideals) impacts popular recognition of US imperial conduct since it governed other countries via surrogates. These surrogates were domestically weak, right-wing governments that would collapse without US support.
Former President George W. Bush's Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, said: "We don't seek empires. We're not imperialistic; we never have been." This was said in the context of the international opposition to the Iraq War led by the United States in manner widely regarded as imperial. With the 2003 invasion of Iraq underway, historian Sidney Lens argued that, from its inception, the US has used every means available to dominate foreign peoples and states. The same time, Eliot A. Cohen suggested: "The Age of Empire may indeed have ended, but then an age of American hegemony has begun, regardless of what one calls it." Some scholars did not bother how to call it: "When it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck."
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Source:
Empire - Wikipedia
American Empire and Imperial Empire is the same thing, it replaced the British Empire and is run much like the British Empire, the Brits think they taught us how to do it......this is why the failure of the American Empire now means for the first time in 500 years the world will not be run by an anglo-saxon empire.....this is a huge event......events this major only happen once or twice a millenia.
Scott
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When humans get to burning it all down so that UTOPIA will spring from the smoldering ashes, or burning it all down to spite God.....which is to a large degree where we are, the prospects are not good. I understand this but I am wired to fight as if I have hope, but I do have a profound disagreement with the optimists. Now as Carlin said at many points in his last years I will be dead soon, I have no stake in the outcome, so to some degree I find this all entertaining as fuck.At this point, I'll be happy if humanity survives the experience.
I have been hard on the alarms for 30 years, I fight, I warned my kids.....I did what I could do.
But I dont have much hope....I see death and misery all around.
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The Ukrainians seem innovative on their own. That innovation is not jiving well with the massive American military industrial complex, but does work with the Europeans. So a drone attack would have no use for coordination with the Americans. Worse yet, there needed to be secrecy, and with trump there is no promise of secrecy.