Operation Spiderweb is fascinating

I'm actually not sure whether Walt thinks the U.S. was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb or not. As can be seen by the nested quotes above, I had been arguing with him as to who really started the war in Ukraine.
My guys are saying that this looks more like Mi6 and MOSSAD, though the Americans certainly knew about, paid for it, and signed off on it.
 
I'm actually not sure whether Walt thinks the U.S. was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb or not. As can be seen by the nested quotes above, I had been arguing with him as to who really started the war in Ukraine.
My guys are saying that this looks more like Mi6 and MOSSAD, though the Americans certainly knew about, paid for it, and signed off on it.

Any of your guys names I would/might know?
 
The chances that Graham and Blumenthal were in Kiev primarily for any reason other than this string of operations are about zero.......they knew that Spiderweb was launching.
 
The chances that Graham and Blumenthal were in Kiev primarily for any reason other than this string of operations are about zero.......they knew that Spiderweb was launching.

I've certainly suspected that, but I haven't seen any evidence as of yet.
 
I'm actually not sure whether Walt thinks the U.S. was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb or not. As can be seen by the nested quotes above, I had been arguing with him as to who really started the war in Ukraine.
I would think most often it's the "side" that fires the first shot that starts a war. Putin fired the first shot into Ukraine.
Putin lined the border with tanks, artillery and troops and Biden just said that a "minor incursion" would basically be overlooked.
Biden should have acted on the first sighting of Russian troops lining Ukraine's border. His shallow words gave Putin the "go ahead' to start this war.
 
I think being bright is a multidimensional thing. People can be bright in some areas and not so much in other areas. I commend Walt for understanding the importance of civility in discussions, which could be seen as being bright in the aspect of efficient communication.
I cannot argue. I'll give Walt credit, even when criticized (and I am also guilty), even in his sometimes ignorance, he does remain civil.
 
I am just starting the Nixon interview....Andrei at 6 minutes says that the big ramp up of this war against Russia happened on Trumps watch.
 
I think being bright is a multidimensional thing. People can be bright in some areas and not so much in other areas. I commend Walt for understanding the importance of civility in discussions, which could be seen as being bright in the aspect of efficient communication.
Walt is what they call an agent of doubt. They are all over Cyberia, paid and unpaid, bringing doubt to the overwhelming evidence others provide. For 4 years Walt has been saying the US is in a strong economy even though we keep adding trillion$ to the national debt with 20% unemployment. Not to mention our growing homeless population.
 
Walt is what they call an agent of doubt. They are all over Cyberia, paid and unpaid, bringing doubt to the overwhelming evidence others provide. For 4 years Walt has been saying the US is in a strong economy even though we keep adding trillion$ to the national debt with 20% unemployment. Not to mention our growing homeless population.
Exactly, the mission is to make sure we dont see the truth as best they can.

Some paid for their service, some do it for free.
 
I rarely read WALT because that would be moronic, but I did once spend several months watching closely as I tried to figure out what I was looking at.

My confidence that Goat and I are correct is high.
 
Even the NYT wrote about the Maidan coup. We've brought it up a dozen times.
Even the Pravda of the Revolution has admitted that the war against Russia is tightly managed by American and European Generals.....but our Scott refuses to believe it......he claims that important decisions are made in Kiev.

The SBU is an arm of the Wall Street Mafia no less than the CIA/MOSSAD/MI6...another thing he does not grasp in spite of the fact that it is obviously true.
 
I'm actually not sure whether Walt thinks the U.S. was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb or not. As can be seen by the nested quotes above, I had been arguing with him as to who really started the war in Ukraine.
I would think most often it's the "side" that fires the first shot that starts a war. Putin fired the first shot into Ukraine.

No, that would be those behind the Euromaidan crisis way back in 2014. It was in 2014 that the civil war in Ukraine started and it started -because- of Euromaidan and the removal of Viktor Yanukovych, the elected President of Ukraine at the time. A good article on the Euromaidan crisis, published on the day Russia's military operation began:

Here's an article on the darkest day of the Euromaidan crisis, where almost 100 Ukrainians, from protesters to police officers were killed by mercenaries, directed by Ukrainians on the far right, and perhaps most interesting of all, American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger:

Note that they cite an Italian documentary made in 2017 that does an expose on the matter. These facts are important for later on in my post.

The article links to Brian's facebook page, which no longer works, but I clicked on it when it still did. I just found another article that gets into the same event here:

Now ofcourse, if people started digging deeper into this, it would be absolutely lethal to Ukraine's narrative, so it stands to reason that Ukraine would produce a page denying the claims, which can be seen here:

What I find interesting is that the stopfake article starts with a Russian article on the issue, which they don't link to (they link to the site). But even from the title snapshot that they took, it's clear that the Russian article's main story is the italian documentary in question. I did a bit of digging and found the Russian article they don't link to:

Stopfake is produced by a Ukrainian NGO:

Some interesting information on stopfake.org, which would explain its bias against those critical of Ukraine's far right:
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Zaborona article alleging ties to far-right groups

In 2020, the Zaborona website published a report, co-authored by Ukrainian journalist Ekaterina Sergatskova [uk], which accused StopFake of having links with Ukrainian far-right and neo-Nazi groups, such as S14. The report included that Marko Suprun, host of StopFake's English-language video program, had been shown in social media photographs at a gathering with two musicians from Holocaust-denying white power band Sokyra Peruna [uk] and another controversial band Komu Vnyz. The report also stated that the director and founder of StopFake, Yevhen Fedchenko, had tweeted in defence of S14 on one occasion, spoken against freedom of the press and supported the website Myrotvorets. Following this Sergatskova was subjected to online harassment from commentators and hard right figures, including death threats and posting of her personal information, and she left Kyiv, reporting fears for her life.
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Source:
One final note, I just found a much more recent Sputnik article from 2024 pointing out that a mainstream media outlet had finally covered this story:
 
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Tell me, if the U.S. helps orchestrate a coup that removes the elected President of a country, would that not count as starting a war?
If Russia had support in Ukraine, then they could have had a coup to put their guy in power. And that would not be an invasion by Russia.
 
I'm actually not sure whether Walt thinks the U.S. was heavily involved in Operation Spiderweb or not.
I see no involvement of the USA in Operation Spiderweb. The USA has been pushing for more expensive, fewer drones. Ukraine has been doing more, cheaper drones. This is clearly a Ukrainian operation.

Now I would believe German involvement. The Germans have been heavily supporting Ukraine on their drone projects.
 
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