My guys are saying that this looks more like Mi6 and MOSSAD, though the Americans certainly knew about, paid for it, and signed off on it.
Operation Spiderweb is fascinating
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Scott
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Any of your guys names I would/might know?
Scott
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I've certainly suspected that, but I haven't seen any evidence as of yet.
I would think most often it's the "side" that fires the first shot that starts a war. Putin fired the first shot into Ukraine.
Putin lined the border with tanks, artillery and troops and Biden just said that a "minor incursion" would basically be overlooked.
Biden should have acted on the first sighting of Russian troops lining Ukraine's border. His shallow words gave Putin the "go ahead' to start this war.
Here is one of many, only five hours old.....you only need to listen to the first five minutes to hear him say it:
Knowing how the world works is enough.
I cannot argue. I'll give Walt credit, even when criticized (and I am also guilty), even in his sometimes ignorance, he does remain civil.
Great, but the chances that he is trying to tell the truth near zero.
Walt is what they call an agent of doubt. They are all over Cyberia, paid and unpaid, bringing doubt to the overwhelming evidence others provide. For 4 years Walt has been saying the US is in a strong economy even though we keep adding trillion$ to the national debt with 20% unemployment. Not to mention our growing homeless population.
Exactly, the mission is to make sure we dont see the truth as best they can.
Some paid for their service, some do it for free.
Even the NYT wrote about the Maidan coup. We've brought it up a dozen times.
Even the Pravda of the Revolution has admitted that the war against Russia is tightly managed by American and European Generals.....but our Scott refuses to believe it......he claims that important decisions are made in Kiev.
The SBU is an arm of the Wall Street Mafia no less than the CIA/MOSSAD/MI6...another thing he does not grasp in spite of the fact that it is obviously true.
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No, that would be those behind the Euromaidan crisis way back in 2014. It was in 2014 that the civil war in Ukraine started and it started -because- of Euromaidan and the removal of Viktor Yanukovych, the elected President of Ukraine at the time. A good article on the Euromaidan crisis, published on the day Russia's military operation began:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
off-guardian.org
Here's an article on the darkest day of the Euromaidan crisis, where almost 100 Ukrainians, from protesters to police officers were killed by mercenaries, directed by Ukrainians on the far right, and perhaps most interesting of all, American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.
www.globalresearch.ca
Note that they cite an Italian documentary made in 2017 that does an expose on the matter. These facts are important for later on in my post.
The article links to Brian's facebook page, which no longer works, but I clicked on it when it still did. I just found another article that gets into the same event here:
Ukraine’s ‘Biggest Arms Supplier’ Orchestrated 2014 Maidan Massacre, Witnesses Say
Once denounced by Zelensky as a “criminal,” gun runner Serhiy Pashinksy has become the top private supplier of arms to Ukraine. Eyewitness testimony has fingered Pashinsky as the architect of a blo…
scheerpost.com
Now ofcourse, if people started digging deeper into this, it would be absolutely lethal to Ukraine's narrative, so it stands to reason that Ukraine would produce a page denying the claims, which can be seen here:
Fake: Georgian Snipers Shot Maidan Demonstrators
The fourth anniversary of Ukraine’s Maidan Revolution is not only an important historical milestone for the country; it is also a significant disinformation opportunity for the Kremlin propaganda machine. Vesti nedeli (News of the Week), a weekly current affairs show on the state run Rossiya 1
www.stopfake.org
What I find interesting is that the stopfake article starts with a Russian article on the issue, which they don't link to (they link to the site). But even from the title snapshot that they took, it's clear that the Russian article's main story is the italian documentary in question. I did a bit of digging and found the Russian article they don't link to:
Deadly Political Games: Italian Journalist Blows Lid Off Maidan Snipers Mystery
Italian journalist Gian Micalessin's interviews with three Georgian mercenaries who took part in the shooting massacre of protesters and police in Kiev in early 2014, and led to the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, have dismantled...
sputnikglobe.com
Stopfake is produced by a Ukrainian NGO:
StopFake - Wikipedia
Some interesting information on stopfake.org, which would explain its bias against those critical of Ukraine's far right:
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Zaborona article alleging ties to far-right groups
In 2020, the Zaborona website published a report, co-authored by Ukrainian journalist Ekaterina Sergatskova [uk], which accused StopFake of having links with Ukrainian far-right and neo-Nazi groups, such as S14. The report included that Marko Suprun, host of StopFake's English-language video program, had been shown in social media photographs at a gathering with two musicians from Holocaust-denying white power band Sokyra Peruna [uk] and another controversial band Komu Vnyz. The report also stated that the director and founder of StopFake, Yevhen Fedchenko, had tweeted in defence of S14 on one occasion, spoken against freedom of the press and supported the website Myrotvorets. Following this Sergatskova was subjected to online harassment from commentators and hard right figures, including death threats and posting of her personal information, and she left Kyiv, reporting fears for her life.**
Source:
StopFake - Wikipedia
At Long Last? UK Media Blasts West's Support For Euromaidan Coup & Ukraine Conflict
Ten years after the Euromaidan coup in Ukraine, a mainstream UK media outlet published an op-ed questioning why the West supported violent mobs against elected president Viktor Yanukovich, stressing that the roots of today's Ukraine conflict lie in the February 2014 regime change operation.
sputnikglobe.com
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If Russia had support in Ukraine, then they could have had a coup to put their guy in power. And that would not be an invasion by Russia.
I see no involvement of the USA in Operation Spiderweb. The USA has been pushing for more expensive, fewer drones. Ukraine has been doing more, cheaper drones. This is clearly a Ukrainian operation.
Now I would believe German involvement. The Germans have been heavily supporting Ukraine on their drone projects.