Could A Good God Permit So Much Suffering?

[Cypress]

Disagree. I can act evilly if I act in a way that is antithetical to what I value. If I value kindness and treat someone badly then I am acting "evilly".

If I want others to treat me well then it would be "evil" for me to treat them badly.

That's strictly opinion. You are not pointing to any universal, objective standard framing that opinion.

In this discussion it is not changing the context. It is the exact context of most of these discussions. It has ever been thus with the discussion of the P.O.E.


Sacrifice is part and parcel of almost all religions. Even Christianity is founded on one single act of human sacrifice which is critical to the faith.

Jesus elected to be killed. It was his goal. He wasn't sacrificed against his will.
I really doubt the children the Canaanites sacrificed, or the concubines and retainers of Emperors necessarily all willingly went to their ritual sacrifice.

 

[gmark77]

That's strictly opinion. You are not pointing to any universal, objective standard framing that opinion.

Ummm, isn't that the same as your statement? Just your opinion?

Jesus elected to be killed.

Re-read his prayer in Gethsemane.

I really doubt the children the Canaanites sacrificed, or the concubines and retainers of Emperors necessarily all willingly went to their ritual sacrifice.

You don't know that, however. Imagine living in a society in which sacrifice was considered one of the highest offers to your god.

 

[Hume]

Because in order to prevent it he would have to control us in ways that would remove our free will.

Why is that bad?

 

[Hume]

You dont read so well do you?

go kill yourself

 

[Hume]

This is a waste of time.

Yes, reading your posts is a waste of time. Agree.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

Why is that bad?

Because giving us free will was the crowning touch of creating us in his image.

If you remove that you have removed humanity from the human race.

If that concept doesn't make sense to you, well it's not surprising based on your postings.

 

[Hume]

Evil is a religious concept, I'm not sure why atheists are setting up this objective standard of absolute go

Go argue with an atheist, then.

 

[gmark77]

Because giving us free will was the crowning touch of creating us in his image.

If you remove that you have removed humanity from the human race.

Is free will really such a great thing if there’s a reasonable chance of eternal torment?

 

[Hume]

Is free will really such a great thing if there’s a reasonable chance of eternal torment?

God could make humans all happy....but?!

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

Is free will really such a great thing if there’s a reasonable chance of eternal torment?

In my opinion yes. Free will is everything and without it we would be like honey bees or carpenter ants.

 

[Hume]

In my opinion yes. Free will is everything and without it we would be like honey bees or carpenter ants.

Why is that bad? Why does God want people to suffer?

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

God could make humans all happy....but?!

It's not up to god to make us happy. Just like it's not up to me to make my children happy. I give them the tools and provide my wisdom to be taken or left.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

Why is that bad? Why does God want people to suffer?

Atheists have been coming forth with your rhetoric forever. Without faith you will never understand. No one will convince you of anything.

 

[Hume]

It's not up to god to make us happy. Just like it's not up to me to make my children happy. I give them the tools and provide my wisdom to be taken or left.

So, God is just like Trump? An evil force taking pleasure in suffering.

 

[Hume]

Atheists have been coming forth with your rhetoric forever. Without faith you will never understand. No one will convince you of anything.

I am not an atheist.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

So, God is just like Trump? An evil force taking pleasure in suffering.

We are all sinners Hume.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

I am not an atheist.

Of course you are. It's quite apparent with your stupid questions.

 

[Hume]

We are all sinners Hume.

You are. Not me.

 

[Hume]

Of course you are. It's quite apparent with your stupid questions.

get lost you brain dead hatemonger

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

You are. Not me.

What an ignorant statement. Thus proving your lack of faith and self awareness to boot.

You are really a sad little creature. Not sure why you even bother to go on in life.