Could A Good God Permit So Much Suffering?

[gmark77]

I face the world as it is because I know what a woman is. I also didnt "deconvert" because I didnt get the pony i prayed for like most of you atheists.

God if only it were that simple as I didn't get a pony. But I understand, you can't possibly imagine critically examining your faith and coming to any other conclusion.

Count yourself lucky.

Youre the consummate pussy/leftist/atheist you want to do whatever the fuck you please and expect not to pay any consequences for your choices. dipshit

LOL, again, if only it were that simple. Trust me, if you met me IRL you'd never know I was an atheist. You wouldn't be able to tell.

And in fact I bet that Iive a MUCH MORE staid and boring life than you do.

 

[Yakuda]

go kill yourself

Ive told you before dumbass i Never will kill myself because aggravating you is too much fun for me. Maybe you could chat about it with your "philosophy" buddies. LMFAO

 

[Yakuda]

God if only it were that simple as I didn't get a pony. But I understand, you can't possibly imagine critically examining your faith and coming to any other conclusion.

Count yourself lucky.



LOL, again, if only it were that simple. Trust me, if you met me IRL you'd never know I was an atheist. You wouldn't be able to tell.

And in fact I bet that Iive a MUCH MORE staid and boring life than you do.

Maybe try for the pony again. LMFAO

 

[Margot]

What? What about literally all the verses in which it not only suggests to slaves to serve their masters but also how masters are to treat their slaves.

For a book that CLEARLY states murder is wrong it never quite gets around to saying enslavement is wrong.

It reports slavery,doesn't condone slavery

 

[gmark77]

Maybe try for the pony again. LMFAO

I would recommend you read Matthew 7:21-23. I'm sure you can find it. You know which Testament that's in?

 

[gmark77]

It reports slavery,doesn't condone slavery

Ephesians 6:5

Colossians 3:22

1 Timothy 6:1-2

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

Ive told you before dumbass i Never will kill myself because aggravating you is too much fun for me. Maybe you could chat about it with your "philosophy" buddies. LMFAO

I've asked that moron more than twice about the details of killing myself. A rope? Poison? A gun? A tall bridge? Dr. Kavorkian?

The piece of shit refuses to give me any guidance so I have to go on.

 

[Based Chad]

Science has nothing to say about God.

cypress keeps trying to make physicists into religious leaders, the theocrat kind.

 

[Cypress]

The reason I asked about that is because Truman had available to him an option which was to demonstrate the bomb.

No, there was not enough enriched plutonium for a demonstration detonation. This is well known. The allies felt the Potsdam Declaration fulfilled their moral obligation to warn Japan of impending doom, of prompt and utter destruction, if they did not immediately surrender unconditionally.

There's a lot to be said about the long-term outcome of that approach but many of the Los Alamos scientists proposed it for the very reasons that it would be more moral.

As Dutch Uncle likes to say, results count. The defeat, occupation, and rehabilitation of Japan succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. Japan is now a close US ally, a capitalist democracy, and their long history of militarism is constrained by their American-drafted Constitution which prevents them from having a powerful military footprint.

Given that kind of success, it seems Truman made the right decisions.

Of course I do. But there are ways to do things less or more "morally". You claim murder of innocents is immoral full stop.

War is not murder. It's been universally recognized since antiquity, that innocents are going to suffer in war, even in wars of self defense or morally justified wars. The concept of a just war was first articulated by the great Christian theologian Augustine.

It seems to really upset you that people still talk about the Old Testament. Sounds like you might have the problem and not me. I know what it says. I don't have to defend or justify the "moral truths" from the Creator of the Universe. That's for those who believe in such things.

The Hebrew Bible doesn't bother me.
It seems to really bother you.

 

[gmark77]

No, there was not enough enriched plutonium for a demonstration detonation.

I believe you might mean enriched uranium. Plutonium was also limited but used in FatMan on Nagasaki. Yes, this is true, but that was only a matter of time.

Is this "universal morality" time limited? Clearly the more moral point would be to demo the bomb. By definition. Inciniterating innocent children is not a moral decision, even if time is limited.

And I say this as someone whose father was on a troop ship for the SOuth Pacific right about that time and would have been in the horrific homeland invasion.

But we are talking morality here, not personal feelings.

Given that kind of success, it seems Truman made the right decisions.

ONLY if incinerating innocent children is considered moral.

War is not murder.

Sounds like a made-up exemption. I thought we were talking universal morality here.

It's been universally recognized since antiquity,

Wrong. The debate over "Just war" has been ongoing. It was never settled.

The Hebrew Bible doesn't bother me.
It seems to really bother you.

I'm an atheist. How can it bother me? I only point to it because it is technically part and parcel of Christianity and has been decreed by the faith to be integral (there was a heresy long ago settled that tried to pare out the OT from the NT. It was considered anathema. If you wish to talk religion please stick to the rules of said religion).

As such you are not allowed to simply dismiss the God of the OT because he makes you uncomfortable. (Although I AM curious what you think "universal morality" means if the author of said morality doesn't seem to follow such universal morals)

As an atheist I can point out the emperors clothing is missing.

 

[Cypress]

So, God is powerless to prevent suffering.

Unlike you l, I have no expectation that life is supposed to be free of suffering and adversity.

Winning the Civil War, eradicating slavery, crushing German Nazism, eliminating Japanese militaristic imperialism took a remarkable combination of the right people, the right leaders, the right inspiration, the right moral framework, the right sequence of events, the right strategies.

I don't know enough about ultimate reality to say with ironclad 100 percent certainty that there was no fate, no providential design, no destiny involved in it at all.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I've asked that moron more than twice about the details of killing myself. A rope? Poison? A gun? A tall bridge? Dr. Kavorkian?

The piece of shit refuses to give me any guidance so I have to go on.

Fentanyl is cheap and easy to acquire. The Robin Williams necktie and a door jam method is also cheap and easy. Buy a bottle of your favorite liquor, hook yourself up and get passed-out drunk. Gravity and physics does the rest.

 

[Based Chad]

Winning the Civil War, eradicating slavery, crushing German Nazism, eliminating Japanese militaristic imperialism took a remarkable combination of the right people, the right leaders, the right inspiration, the right moral framework, the right sequence of events, the right strategies.

I don't know enough about ultimate reality to say with ironclad 100 percent certainty that there was no fate, no providential design, no destiny involved in it at all.

what about globalist Naziism?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

what about globalist Naziism?

MAGAs are only in the US.

 

[Based Chad]

MAGAs are only in the US.

but authentic populism is breaking out all over the globe!

you people cant stop it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

but authentic populism is breaking out all over the globe!

You armed supporters of the Constitution cant stop it.

FTFY....and disagreed. We'll shoot all you authoritarian fascists fuckers in the face.

 

[Based Chad]

FTFY....and disagreed. We'll shoot all you authoritarian fascists fuckers in the face.

this is you being the fascist, dum dum.



now eat a dick.

 

[Based Chad]

I believe you might mean enriched uranium. Plutonium was also limited but used in FatMan on Nagasaki. Yes, this is true, but that was only a matter of time.

Is this "universal morality" time limited? Clearly the more moral point would be to demo the bomb. By definition. Inciniterating innocent children is not a moral decision, even if time is limited.

And I say this as someone whose father was on a troop ship for the SOuth Pacific right about that time and would have been in the horrific homeland invasion.

But we are talking morality here, not personal feelings.



ONLY if incinerating innocent children is considered moral.




Sounds like a made-up exemption. I thought we were talking universal morality here.




Wrong. The debate over "Just war" has been ongoing. It was never settled.




I'm an atheist. How can it bother me? I only point to it because it is technically part and parcel of Christianity and has been decreed by the faith to be integral (there was a heresy long ago settled that tried to pare out the OT from the NT. It was considered anathema. If you wish to talk religion please stick to the rules of said religion).

As such you are not allowed to simply dismiss the God of the OT because he makes you uncomfortable. (Although I AM curious what you think "universal morality" means if the author of said morality doesn't seem to follow such universal morals)

As an atheist I can point out the emperors clothing is missing.

these people are stick.

they're also fine with big pharma murder vaccines.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

this is you being the fascist, dum dum.



now eat a dick.

Kill all fascist fuckers. Shoot them in the head. Put them down like rabid dogs.

 

[Based Chad]

Kill all fascist fuckers. Shoot them in the head. Put them down like rabid dogs.

of course you're sane, Sybil.