IBDaMann
Well-known member
If only you could read for comprehension.The LGBT hate is no fun.
If only you could read for comprehension.The LGBT hate is no fun.
Tell me your thoughts on the shooter.It is your delusion that I am glorifying the shooter.
Your post attacking me for pointing out leftist culpability is there for everyone to see. Your post attacking me for wanting children to remain alive in the face of Democrat efforts to kill as many children as possible, both in the womb and out, is there for everyone to see.Your post politicizing the victims is there for everyone to see.
You really like to virtue signal how you refuse to consider the concerns of the victims of the LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+ movement. You're coming in LC.I haven't heard any stories of public indecency from the LGTB community in Russia.
I like your euphemism "LGBT rights" in place of LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+-supremacy. It's cute.That's certainly not the issues I found concerning regarding LGTB rights in Russia.
Your opening post made it clear that you are only interested in pushing LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+-supremacy under the banner of eternal VICTIMHOOD.I mentioned what I -did- find concerning there in the opening post.
Lie.I tell the truth.
And?…..Didn't think I'd do a thread on this, but in order to try to avoid talking too much about the subject in another thread I made, I've decided to give it a go. I'll start with Wikipedia's article on the subject, which can be seen here:
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LGBTQ rights in Russia - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I'll now quote the first paragraph of said article:
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Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) people in Russia face significant legal and social challenges not experienced by non-LGBT people. Although sexual activity between consenting adults of the same sex is legal, homosexuality is disapproved of by much of the population and pro-LGBTQ advocacy groups are deemed "extremist" and banned. It is illegal for individuals to "promote homosexuality" and same-sex couples and households headed by same-sex couples are ineligible for the legal protections available to opposite-sex couples. Russia provides no anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people and does not have a designation for hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity. Transgender people are not allowed to change their legal gender and all gender-affirming care is banned. There are currently no laws prohibiting discrimination based on gender identity or expression, and recent laws could be used to discriminate against transgender residents. Russian sexologists are legally required to conduct "conversion therapies".
Russia has long held strongly negative views regarding homosexuality, with recent polls indicating that a majority of Russians are against the acceptance of homosexuality and have shown support for laws discriminating against homosexuals. Despite receiving international criticism for the recent increase in social discrimination, crimes, and violence against homosexuals, larger cities such as Moscow and Saint Petersburg have been said to have a thriving LGBTQ community. However, there has been a historic resistance to gay pride parades by local governments; despite being fined by the European Court of Human Rights in 2010 for interpreting it as discrimination, the city of Moscow denied 100 individual requests for permission to hold Moscow Pride through 2012, citing a risk of violence against participants. In 2016, Russia was rated the second least LGBT-friendly nation in Europe by ILGA-Europe. In 2024, the status of LGBTQ rights in Russia was ranked the worst out of the 49 countries surveyed within Europe.
**
So, here are the things that I don't agree with in regards to Russia here:
1- That much of the population disapproves of homosexuality.
2- That pro-LGBTQ advocacy groups are deemed "extremist" and banned.
3- I think some clarity needs to be provided as to what, exactly, is deemed as promoting homsexuality, so I'll leave that one for now, but I definitely think that same-sex couples and households headed by same-sex couples should be able to get the legal protections available to opposite-sex couples.
4- I think that Russia should have anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
5- I think Russia should have a designation for hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity.
6- I think that transgender people should be able to change their gender and be able to get gender-affirming care, though only if they are adults and perhaps also after they've passed a test determining that they aren't just going through a phase of some sort.
7- Sexologists shouldn't be legally required to conduct conversion therapies. I know that the U.S. has generally gone the other way. From Wikipedia's page on the history of conversion therapy:
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21st century
United States Surgeon General David Satcher in 2001 issued a report stating that "there is no valid scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed". The same year, a study by Robert Spitzer concluded that some highly motivated individuals whose orientation is predominantly homosexual can become predominantly heterosexual with some form of reparative therapy. Spitzer based his findings on structured interviews with 200 self-selected individuals (143 men, 57 women). He told The Washington Post that the study "shows some people can change from gay to straight, and we ought to acknowledge that". Spitzer's study caused controversy and attracted media attention. Spitzer recanted his study in 2012, and apologized to the gay community for making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy, calling it his only professional regret.
The American Psychoanalytic Association spoke against NARTH in 2004, stating "that organization does not adhere to our policy of nondiscrimination and [...] their activities are demeaning to our members who are gay and lesbian". The same year, a survey of members of the American Psychological Association rated reparative therapy as "certainly discredited", though the authors warn that the results should be interpreted carefully as an initial step, not as a final deliberation.
The American Psychological Association in 2007 convened a task force to evaluate its policies regarding reparative therapy.
In 2008, the organizers of an APA panel on the relationship between religion and homosexuality canceled the event after gay activists objected that "conversion therapists and their supporters on the religious right use these appearances as a public relations event to try and legitimize what they do".
In 2009, American Psychological Association stated that it "encourages mental health professionals to avoid misrepresenting the efficacy of sexual orientation change efforts by promoting or promising change in sexual orientation when providing assistance to individuals distressed by their own or others' sexual orientation and concludes that the benefits reported by participants in sexual orientation change efforts can be gained through approaches that do not attempt to change sexual orientation".
The ethics guidelines of major mental health organizations in the United States vary from cautionary statements to recommendations that conversion therapy be prohibited (American Psychiatric Association) to recommendations against referring patients to those who practice it (American Counseling Association). In a letter dated 23 February 2011 to the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Attorney General of the United States stated "while sexual orientation carries no visible badge, a growing scientific consensus accepts that sexual orientation is a characteristic that is immutable".
Gay rights groups and other groups concerned with mental health fear that reparative therapy can increase the chances of depression and suicide. President Barack Obama expressed opposition to the practice in 2015.
**
Source:
History of conversion therapy - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Gay people in Russia are being murdered, but you keep claiming that it is just them wanting to ban straight marriage or whatever other conspiracy theory you have come up with.End of the day, it's just LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+ supremacy for a radical movement that complains endlessly of VICTIMHOOD.
First, allow me to remind you of your denial of LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+.Such easy language. Just say that someone is in denial of something and presto, no need to actually provide evidence that whatever you're claiming actually exists.
No, as I've been saying for quite a while now, I'm not discussing any organizations or people, only the LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+ movementNo, as I've been saying for quite a while now, I've seen no evidence that your LGBTQIAXXX... exists. I provided you with a link to LGBT organizations that actually exist in the hope that we could actually ground our conversation in -real- organizations rather than non existent ones.
There you go again with your fictitious "LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+". Get back to me when you have something that's actually real.My intent was to highlight the absurdity of your declaration that I have provided no evidence that LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+ exists.This post of yours looks a lot like your post #262. I see APL's response to it was much like his response to your post #262 as well. I actually decided to count how many more responses you made to my post #232 after this one. The answer's 17, with the last one being post #290. I've looked at all of them, they all seem to follow the same routine, responding to the exact same quote I made in post #232 with pretty much the same material every time. None of them provide evidence that LGBTIAX... exists, so I don't see any point in responding to any more posts of this line.
And?…..Didn't think I'd do a thread on this, but in order to try to avoid talking too much about the subject in another thread I made, I've decided to give it a go. I'll start with Wikipedia's article on the subject, which can be seen here:
![]()
LGBTQ rights in Russia - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I'll now quote the first paragraph of said article:
**
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) people in Russia face significant legal and social challenges not experienced by non-LGBT people. Although sexual activity between consenting adults of the same sex is legal, homosexuality is disapproved of by much of the population and pro-LGBTQ advocacy groups are deemed "extremist" and banned. It is illegal for individuals to "promote homosexuality" and same-sex couples and households headed by same-sex couples are ineligible for the legal protections available to opposite-sex couples. Russia provides no anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people and does not have a designation for hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity. Transgender people are not allowed to change their legal gender and all gender-affirming care is banned. There are currently no laws prohibiting discrimination based on gender identity or expression, and recent laws could be used to discriminate against transgender residents. Russian sexologists are legally required to conduct "conversion therapies".
Russia has long held strongly negative views regarding homosexuality, with recent polls indicating that a majority of Russians are against the acceptance of homosexuality and have shown support for laws discriminating against homosexuals. Despite receiving international criticism for the recent increase in social discrimination, crimes, and violence against homosexuals, larger cities such as Moscow and Saint Petersburg have been said to have a thriving LGBTQ community. However, there has been a historic resistance to gay pride parades by local governments; despite being fined by the European Court of Human Rights in 2010 for interpreting it as discrimination, the city of Moscow denied 100 individual requests for permission to hold Moscow Pride through 2012, citing a risk of violence against participants. In 2016, Russia was rated the second least LGBT-friendly nation in Europe by ILGA-Europe. In 2024, the status of LGBTQ rights in Russia was ranked the worst out of the 49 countries surveyed within Europe.
**
So, here are the things that I don't agree with in regards to Russia here:
1- That much of the population disapproves of homosexuality.
2- That pro-LGBTQ advocacy groups are deemed "extremist" and banned.
3- I think some clarity needs to be provided as to what, exactly, is deemed as promoting homsexuality, so I'll leave that one for now, but I definitely think that same-sex couples and households headed by same-sex couples should be able to get the legal protections available to opposite-sex couples.
4- I think that Russia should have anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
5- I think Russia should have a designation for hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity.
6- I think that transgender people should be able to change their gender and be able to get gender-affirming care, though only if they are adults and perhaps also after they've passed a test determining that they aren't just going through a phase of some sort.
7- Sexologists shouldn't be legally required to conduct conversion therapies. I know that the U.S. has generally gone the other way. From Wikipedia's page on the history of conversion therapy:
**
21st century
United States Surgeon General David Satcher in 2001 issued a report stating that "there is no valid scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed". The same year, a study by Robert Spitzer concluded that some highly motivated individuals whose orientation is predominantly homosexual can become predominantly heterosexual with some form of reparative therapy. Spitzer based his findings on structured interviews with 200 self-selected individuals (143 men, 57 women). He told The Washington Post that the study "shows some people can change from gay to straight, and we ought to acknowledge that". Spitzer's study caused controversy and attracted media attention. Spitzer recanted his study in 2012, and apologized to the gay community for making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy, calling it his only professional regret.
The American Psychoanalytic Association spoke against NARTH in 2004, stating "that organization does not adhere to our policy of nondiscrimination and [...] their activities are demeaning to our members who are gay and lesbian". The same year, a survey of members of the American Psychological Association rated reparative therapy as "certainly discredited", though the authors warn that the results should be interpreted carefully as an initial step, not as a final deliberation.
The American Psychological Association in 2007 convened a task force to evaluate its policies regarding reparative therapy.
In 2008, the organizers of an APA panel on the relationship between religion and homosexuality canceled the event after gay activists objected that "conversion therapists and their supporters on the religious right use these appearances as a public relations event to try and legitimize what they do".
In 2009, American Psychological Association stated that it "encourages mental health professionals to avoid misrepresenting the efficacy of sexual orientation change efforts by promoting or promising change in sexual orientation when providing assistance to individuals distressed by their own or others' sexual orientation and concludes that the benefits reported by participants in sexual orientation change efforts can be gained through approaches that do not attempt to change sexual orientation".
The ethics guidelines of major mental health organizations in the United States vary from cautionary statements to recommendations that conversion therapy be prohibited (American Psychiatric Association) to recommendations against referring patients to those who practice it (American Counseling Association). In a letter dated 23 February 2011 to the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Attorney General of the United States stated "while sexual orientation carries no visible badge, a growing scientific consensus accepts that sexual orientation is a characteristic that is immutable".
Gay rights groups and other groups concerned with mental health fear that reparative therapy can increase the chances of depression and suicide. President Barack Obama expressed opposition to the practice in 2015.
**
Source:
History of conversion therapy - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
ExactlyAnd what?
Tell me your thoughts on the shooter.
Your post attacking me for pointing out leftist culpability is there for everyone to see. Your post attacking me for wanting children to remain alive in the face of Democrat efforts to kill as many children as possible, both in the womb and out, is there for everyone to see.
So fuck you for using the victims as a dirty rag.
I'm not a flight attendant, moron. Who was talking about the CDC? Are you ok?
Let's see how it sounds if we apply the VICTIMHOOD elsewhere:Gay people in Russia are being murdered, but you keep claiming that it is just them wanting to ban straight marriage or whatever other conspiracy theory you have come up with.
You'll find it so much easier to just admit up front in the first post that you simply wish to marginalize straight people. It's quicker, cleaner, you don't waste anyone's time, ... it's wonderful.Get back to me if you ever find any evidence that "LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+" is real.
Straight people in Russia are not being murdered for being straight. Russia is organizing gangs to track down and murder homosexuals for being homosexuals, and giving them legal cover to do so. There are other places in the world where homosexuals are getting the death penalty for just being gay.Let's see how it sounds if we apply the VICTIMHOOD elsewhere:
Straight people in Russia are being murdered, but you keep claiming that it is just them wanting to ban gay marriage or whatever other conspiracy theory you have come up with.
Yep, it sounds just as stupid. Who is "them"?
Oh boy. Swim in that irrational hatred. It's all you know how to do.It was one of you faggot flight attendants who started the whole AIDS epidemic; seems faggots have sex with monkies, or Africans who did. They had to invent a fake lie later on, claiming it was here all along or came from the Caribbean or something for propaganda purposes. It hit in California and New York City big time, thanks to Flying Faggots. They need to be kept off of planes and busses, and kept in quarantine until they can get real mental health care.
Gay people in Russia aren't being murdered for being gay.Straight people in Russia are not being murdered for being straight.
I don't believe you. I don't believe you one bit. I am certain that you are fabricating fiction to push your supremacy agenda on the narrative of VICTIMHOOD.Russia is organizing gangs to track down and murder homosexuals for being homosexuals,
Where that happens, they are using a different definition of "homosexuality." I bet you don't know anything about that.There are other places in the world where homosexuals are getting the death penalty for just being gay.
Oh boy. Swim in that irrational hatred. It's all you know how to do.