Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates

Don't you see, though? The left here calls those on the right MAG***, the right calls those on the left fag***. There is a sad symetry in the epithets. I'll tell you what I think is perhaps the largest part of the problem- I'm pretty sure that most people here have never met. I also think that it's quite frequent that people here get divided into left and right camps and then the stereotypes set in and the insults fly. The way out, as far as I'm concerned, is to just not play the game. When someone starts insulting me, I try to draw their attention to that and frequently exclude anything else they say and if all else fails, I just don't respond to posts with insults from said person. I think that it's working to some extent.
Welcome to humanity. Warts and all.
 
There have actually been quite a few studies that get into plausible associations between vaccines and autism. There's a website that claims to have "a list of abstracts from 239 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism"

I personally haven't counted the papers in question, but it certainly does appear to be quite a few. Feel free to take a look:

What I'd like to stress is that no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that vaccines are the -only- cause of autism.
I would caution from falling into the "Scientific Study" fallacy trap. Studies don't mean anything to anyone except to other researchers who are interested in that specific research, for consideration for their own research, not for the conclusions offered.

Studies are not science. Studies are someone's non-scientific and perhaps non-repeatable observations. It doesn't matter how many studies are funded to draw a certain predetermined conclusion. Until you have science on the matter, treat all studies as though they are paid-for political propaganda.

I certainly agree that a lot of studies are flawed. There's a physicist youtuber that I follow on youtube that I think is pretty good. She published the following video 3 weeks ago that I think you might like:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPy3DeMUyI&ab_channel=SabineHossenfelder


That being said, I don't think they are -all- flawed. Based on the documentaries I've seen and the articles I've read, I believe it's highly likely that vaccines -can- cause autism. If you want to discuss studies that I find to have particularly good evidence, I can certainly list some examples.
 
The road to hell is frequently paved with good intentions. Here's some information about polio and polio vaccines I imagine you haven't heard of:
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DDT as a possible cause of polio

There is a theory that DDT poisoning was a major contributor to paralysis diagnosed as polio. The timeline supports it, and it is one of those cases where I have to humbly accept not knowing the definitive answer at this very second.

The Salk vaccine was introduced in 1954. DDT was banned in the U.S. in 1972. Polio was officially eradicated in the U.S. in 1979. (The vaccine-derived version of polio (!) is reported to be spreading now in developing countries, and
according to ABC News, “More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus.”)

In 2021, Ryan Matters published an excellent, in-depth article called, “mRNA ‘Vaccines,’ Eugenics & the Push for Transhumanism,” in which he looked at the link between polio and DDT, among other things. (I very highly recommend reading his entire article.) Matters wrote:

“One crop pesticide in widespread use at the time was DDT, a highly toxic organochlorine that was widely publicized as being ‘good for you,’ but eventually banned in 1972. In 1953, Dr. Morton Biskind published a paper in the American Journal of Digestive Diseases pointing out that:

“‘McCormick (78), Scobey (100-101) and Goddard (57), in detailed studies, have all pointed out that factors other than infective agents are certainly involved in the etiology of polio, varying from nutritional defects to a variety of poisons which affect the nervous system.’

“The danger of toxic pesticides, including DDT, and their disastrous effects on the environment were illustrated by Rachel Carson in her 1962 book, Silent Spring.

“In more recent times, researchers, Dan Olmstead, co-founder of the Age of Autism, and Mark Blaxill conducted two brilliant investigations into the polio epidemics of the 20th century, reaching a similar conclusion to Scobey and Biskind, namely that the disease was caused by the widespread use of neurotoxic pesticides such as arsenite of soda and DDT.

“Although Salk’s vaccine was hailed as a success, the vaccine itself caused many cases of injury and paralysis. And though there does appear to be a convincing correlation between the timing of the vaccine and the reduction in polio cases, as all good scientists know, causation doesn’t equal correlation [sic], especially considering the fact that DDT was phased out, at least in the US, over the same period.”

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Full article:
DDT does not cause polio.

How are you so sure?
 
The article I linked to cites 9 battles. Supremacy isn't one of them. [/URL]
Au contraire, mon frère, the article states clearly in the very first sentence that the topic is gay supremacy, and what follows are simply battles in attaining that goal. "The fight for gay rights in the United States has come a long way." Gays are not fighting for equality, which would be wholly unacceptable. Gays are fighting for supremacy, for gay rights that are not to be granted to others. If gay supremacy is not recognized, they will assuredly cry "VICTIM!".

gay rights = gay supremacy

This is directly from your article. The very first sentence gives it away.
 
I once had a young female friend who also liked to take control of language terms when it came to abortion. It ended in us being unable to discuss the subject anymore because she refused to accept dictionary definitions of the term. Will you accept either of the following terms for abortion which are used by the American Heritage Dictionary, 5th edition?

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  • noun Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
  • noun Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.
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Source:
No dictionary defines any word. That is not their purpose...

Alright, would you agree with the following:
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  • Dictionaries record language as it is used. Words are added to a dictionary when they become frequently used by the people who speak the language. One can’t just make up a word and apply to have it included. It needs to become part of the commonly spoken language of the people first.
  • Dictionaries give meanings of words.
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Source:
 
Now, since you are clearly on the -other- side of the left right divide,
You are very astute.

I ask that you try to do the same- that is, try avoid the tired routine of insulting those on the other side of the left/right ideological divide.
I avoid insulting everybody ... up until I am insulted, then the gloves come off immediately. Nonetheless, I prefer rational, adult discussion.

Instead, try to just focus on the insults they hurl and don't respond to the rest
I enjoy crafting a good response.
 
Wait a second- we -were- discussing abortions. What do you think we're discussing?

Nope. We were quite clearly discussing contract killings. I know because I asked you the question:

Why do you think contract killings are OK?

[ for purposes of discussion, a "contract killing" is defined as the killing of living human A by living human B who was paid by living human C for his "unaliving" services. Furthermore, living human A does not get a say in the matter, the killing fee is negotiated between humans B and C, and the entire matter is human C's choice. ]
... or you could say that you are pro-contract-killings. What about contract killings do you find justifiable?
...and if someone were to say to me what you said to me, I would wonder why you find contract killings acceptable. Personally, I find that alone to make someone a shitty person who should not be walking around in a free society.
From what I've read, the Mafia makes these decisions with great care as well.

So, if you wouldn't mind dialing it back and just starting with the first question, i.e. Why do you think contract killings are OK? I'll post the definition I use for "contract killing":

"contract killing" is defined as the killing of living human M by living human N who was paid by living human O for his "unaliving" services. Furthermore, living human M does not get a say in the matter, the killing fee is negotiated between humans N and O, and the entire matter is human C's choice.
 
Dictionaries record language as it is used.
This is correct. Don't rush to contradict yourself.

Words are added to a dictionary when they become frequently used by the people who speak the language.
This is correct. Notice that the basis is how the words are used, just like in your first point. Don't blow it.

Dictionaries give meanings of words.
No. Dictionaries explain usage. This is why all dictionaries have different explanations. If dictionaries carried a word's definition, then all dictionaries would have to have the exact same entry for the same word.

However, nobody owns the English language and nobody gets to define any word. All any dictionary can do is explain how language is used, correct or otherwise, per your first point.
 
An interesting point of view. I wonder if we'll ever hear from one of the people responsible for listing these causes of death. I for one would definitely like to hear what these people have to say for themselves.
They were all told to do so, and they wanted to keep their jobs.

A better thing to do would be to find someone who was told that his family member died of COVID-19 and examine that death certificate. If COVID-19 is hard-coded below the cause of death, you are looking at genuine CFC-mandated fraud. It wont take you long to realize that there aren't any death certificates that only list COVID-19 as the cause of death ... because COVID doesn't kill.

Note: The CFC invented a term. What do you call an unrelated factor in a death that was not the cause of death? Answer: The UNDERLYING cause of death!

Watch the below video providing CFC's guidance to doctors and medical examiners on how to "properly" fill out a death certificate, remembering that those same doctors and medical examiners were first provided the CFC's guidance on how to "properly" ascertain that COVID-19 is always a "cause of death" to be recorded along with the actual cause of death in the section "Cause of Death." Just hard-code it in at the bottom.

 
That being said, I don't think they are -all- flawed.
What does that even mean? The bottom line is that it is all too common for people to say "There's a study on that" without explaining why that author's "study" should even be read, much less considered. Presume that I don't give a rat's tail whether or not "there's a study" ... or even a few hundred studies. The first question I'm going to ask is "Do you have any science, or a math theorem, or a logic proof, or empirical evidence, showing the given proposition to be the case?" If the answer is "No, but I have a bunch of studies, I consider the proposition dismissed and the matter closed."

Based on the documentaries I've seen and the articles I've read, I believe it's highly likely that vaccines -can- cause autism.
Do you have a proper dataset developed from proper sampling under proper conditions that concludes the proposition under appropriate regression analysis? If not, discarded and closed.
 
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