All trans women are simply men pretending to be women.” Do you agree with her ?

Damocles said:
Extremely rare.

This is like saying that because a baby was born without an arm that means that arms are now on a spectrum. It really doesn't change that humans have two arms. Fingers aren't really on a spectrum either even though some folks have fewer or more than ten (counting thumbs).

(The six fingered man... My name is Inigo Montoya,... You kill my father, prepare to die!")
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Damocles said:
There is no evidence that transgenderism is based in genetics, there are wishful studies that found "many" different things they believe "could contribute" but they had to be factored with environment and how they were treated, etc.
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There are MRI studies. Even some posters here agree that there are differences between male and female brains. That's based in genetics.

How did you think trans children start to exhibit behavior as early as say 3?
Damocles said:
I am not arguing against transgender people. I am just saying comparing them to intersexual folks and using those rare instances with direct genetic links in a comparison to transgender folks which have no direct genetic link only "multi-factorial" (these possible genetic things coupled with other environmental and societal factors could possibly) relation is not a good comparison.
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I understand. You think there is no comparison other than how rare it is.

How do intersex people identify as?
 
AProudLefty said:
There are MRI studies. Even some posters here agree that there are differences between male and female brains. That's based in genetics.

How did you think trans children start to exhibit behavior as early as say 3?

I understand. You think there is no comparison other than how rare it is.

How do intersex people identify as?
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However they want to identify. Just as, in my opinion a expressed earlier, any adult can without such genetic twists. Rendering their existence moot in this discussion really. These things, though dealing with sex, do not compare to each other as they are not the same issues.

The correlation of sex within the topics do not make the topics the same in reality.
 
ZenMode said:
Worn out? There's nothing worn out about an awareness that we don't "choose" most of what we are.

The OP can be correct and it can be true that we don't pick attraction or what gender we feel like we relate to.
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Bullshit, you choose everything that you are, dumbass.
Life is nothing but choices, be they wrong or right or inconsequential.
Tell ya wut, I choose not to stick my penis in another man's butt or mouth. :sick:
It is what it is. :dunno:
 





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Never forget how this medical scandal began. Back in the 1980s, a small group of trans activists hatched a plot: to take an absurd, illogical overvalued belief—that being transgender is innate, natural, healthy—and force all of society to live in a fictional world built on it.Given the sheer audacity of that plot, there must have been people who said it couldn’t be done. But if such voices existed, they were ignored. And the activists pressed on until they succeeded in nothing less than reshaping reality itself.And they didn’t just persuade people to politely look the other way.They rallied good, decent people to march in the streets demanding that teenagers sacrifice their health, their fertility, and their sexual function in the name of this belief.They convinced governments to write laws based on a non-existent, fictional concept.They enlisted well-meaning teachers to poison the minds of a generation with absurd lies.And they drove doctors to amputate healthy organs and call it medicine.If they could succeed in creating that false reality, then surely we can succeed in restoring truth. Because our cause is not built on lies but on logic and reason. Not on ideology but on sound ethical principles. Not on harm but on healing.My talk at
@genspect
’s conference in Albuquerque calls for the complete rejection of this dangerous belief. Only by restoring truth and reality can we actually protect vulnerable people from this medical crime.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Bullshit, you choose everything that you are, dumbass.
Life is nothing but choices, be they wrong or right or inconsequential.
Tell ya wut, I choose not to stick my penis in another man's butt or mouth. :sick:
It is what it is. :dunno:
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Ok. At what age did you choose to be a male/man and be attracted to women? Was it a difficult decision? Were you unsure? Maybe being pulled in both directions?
 
Matt Dillon said:
No.
PS: Nobody chooses to be what they're born as. Choices come after one is capable of making them for themselves.
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Ok. So, you could choose to be attracted to men, today, if you wanted to?

If not today, you could eventually make yourself attracted to men, right?
 
ZenMode said:
Scott said:
I think most would agree that transgender women are not biological women.
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If one is not a science denier, yes.
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Agreed.

ZenMode said:
Scott said:
I think most would agree that transgender women are not biological women. Note that J.K. sideskirted that issue by apparently saying trans women, not transgender women.
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What's the difference?
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The difference is that one uses the word gender, the other doesn't. I'm fine with calling transgender women women, but I also think it's useful to note that they are not biological women in some circumstances. For instance, I think that biological women should have the right to only compete with other biological women if they so choose.
 
Scott said:
Agreed.



The difference is that one uses the word gender, the other doesn't. I'm fine with calling transgender women women, but I also think it's useful to note that they are not biological women in some circumstances. For instance, I think that biological women should have the right to only compete with other biological women if they so choose.
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Isn't "trans" just a shortened version of "TRANSgender"?
 
ZenMode said:
Scott said:
The difference is that one uses the word gender, the other doesn't. I'm fine with calling transgender women women, but I also think it's useful to note that they are not biological women in some circumstances. For instance, I think that biological women should have the right to only compete with other biological women if they so choose.
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Isn't "trans" just a shortened version of "TRANSgender"?
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Trans can stand for transexual, transgender or both, but both make it clear that we're talking about gender here, not biology. I don't see anything wrong with shortening it to trans, that way, you can actually include both transexual -and- transgender, but the real issue is when people do it, whether consciously or unconsciously, to try to obfuscate the fact that a good portion of society has accepted that both of these categories can be considered to be the gender that they identify with. It's this last step that is really the problem, because it then allows people to say that trans people are only -pretending- to be the gender they identify with, rather than actually being that gender. We agree that regardless of the gender that a person identifies with, this won't change their biological sex.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Bullshit, you choose everything that you are, dumbass.
Life is nothing but choices, be they wrong or right or inconsequential.
Tell ya wut, I choose not to stick my penis in another man's butt or mouth. :sick:
It is what it is. :dunno:
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Not quite.

You cannot choose your gender.
You cannot choose your family.
You cannot choose a different planet. You were born on this one.
You cannot choose to be immortal. Some day you will die.

But you CAN make choices about your behavior while here. You are NOT free of the consequences of that choice.
 
Scott said:
I think most would agree that transgender women are not biological women. Note that J.K. sideskirted that issue by apparently saying trans women, not transgender women.
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Word games won't help you.

Men cross dress and possibly mutilate themselves to become 'women' are only pretending they are women.
If they take the step to mutilate themselves, that is permanently disfiguring. They will never be able to procreate again.

And they want to do it to their kids too. This is child abuse of the most horrendous kind.
 
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