The last time Trump shut down the government, it lasted for 35 days. And that was just to force Congress to pay for his border wall. What is at stake this time? The swearing in of Adelita Grijalva. Who would force a vote on releasing the Justice Department's files on Jeffery Epstein. Though Congress doesn't have to be in session for her to be sworn in. But Mike Johnson isn't doing that anyway. If the republicans were to go back to business, there would be no more excuses for not swearing her in. So instead of funding for a border wall, this time it's Trump's ass and all his supporters in congress that is at stake. Which means that Congress won't reopen. I wonder if this will finally get the military to act and arrest Trump.
How Long Will The Shutdown Last.
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Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Pedo Don will go for a record.
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
No president "shut down the government"; Congress is responsible for appropriating funds, as mandated by the Constitution.
However, accountability breaks down along partisan lines:
Democrats demanded a one-year extension of Affordable Care Act subsidies, and blocked 10 Senate votes to approve a "clean" CR (as of October 16).
Into the Night
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Trump didn't shut down the government. DEMOCRATS DID.
Since Congress didn't act, he used money from other sources to build the wall until Congress finally acted.
Democrats want to fund illegal aliens.
Nothing to do with it.
What 'files'?? No one can force such a vote.
Yet.
Still waiting for Democrats to open the government.
You can't blame Democrats on Trump.
Into the Night
Verified User
Who is 'Pedo Don'? There is no user by that name here.Pedo Don will go for a record.
A one year extension of the Affordable Care Act subsidies would be a clean continuing resolution, because health insurance is bought one year at a time. Republicans are offering a cancellation of the Affordable Care Act subsidies, for a one month continuing resolution. So Democrats give up something very important to them, just to not have the government shutdown for a month. Then a month from now, Republicans demand something else important to not shutdown the government for another month.
It is trump's job to propose a budget. he has failed to propose a budget.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
IDK if it's the President's job to propose a budget but know they can. It's up to Congress to authorize the budget. In this case, the MAGA Congress will lap up whatever falls out of Trump's ass.
What's in Trump’s 2026 budget proposal? | USAFacts
The fiscal year 2026 budget proposal would keep base discretionary spending level.
usafacts.org
The Republicans control the Senate, the House of Representatives, the presidency, and the SCOTUS.
If they cannot govern properly with that situation...they should not even be allowed to govern.
But they are.
And we are all fucked because of it.
In any case, THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS are responsible for the shut-down. Anyone who think otherwise is just kidding him/herself.
The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires the president to submit a budget at the beginning of the calendar year. The exact date has changed over the years, but that is the way our budget process begins. The budget proposed by trump was incomplete, and nonsensical, so needed to be filled in. The Republicans have chosen not to fill it in.IDK if it's the President's job to propose a budget but know they can. It's up to Congress to authorize the budget. In this case, the MAGA Congress will lap up whatever falls out of Trump's ass.
A budget proposal sent from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to Congress details the Trump administration’s discretionary spending recommendations: The proposed FY 2026 budget keeps overall discretionary base spending level with 2025, but changes how some of that money is allocated, shifting $119.3 billion from non-defense programs to defense programs.What's in Trump’s 2026 budget proposal? | USAFacts
The fiscal year 2026 budget proposal would keep base discretionary spending level.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Thanks. Figures that the Dementia Don would fuck this up too. He's unwell. Sad.
total horseshit
this shut down is over the fact Democrats lied about a temporary spending program twice.
Two times they decided to use a loophole and get The Congressional Budget Office to score the program with a temporary provision that is temporary in name only. They clearly have proven it is not temporary as they hold the system hostage over the fact it is not temporary.
Those are the facts of this shut down that you gas lighting shit stains attempt to obfuscate
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
everything you say is total horseshit. Some actual facts for you partisan shit stains to ignore as you do:
The Structural Context
- The President’s budget is always a proposal, not law.
Under the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the president must submit a unified budget.
But Congress writes, amends, and enacts actual spending bills. Every administration’s budget is therefore inherently “incomplete” — it’s a vision, not a finalized product. - Congress rarely enacts a full budget on time anymore.
Since 1977, Congress has met all its budget process deadlines only 4 times (per Congressional Research Service). The U.S. routinely uses continuing resolutions (CRs) and omnibus spending bills. That means every administration — Democrat or Republican — ends up seeing its budget partly or wholly rewritten, delayed, or ignored.
Bipartisan Pattern of “Nonsensical / Unrealistic” Criticism
| President | Common Opposition Framing | Examples |
|---|---|---|
| Biden (D) | Republicans call his budgets “fiscally irresponsible” and “unrealistic” due to higher taxes and spending. | Speaker Mike Johnson in 2024 said Biden’s FY2025 plan was “detached from economic reality.” |
| Trump (R) | Democrats and many analysts called his cuts to social programs “unrealistic” and “mathematically impossible.” | 2018–2020 OMB budgets projected 3%+ GDP growth and massive cuts that Congress ignored. |
| Obama (D) | Republicans said his budgets had “phony savings” and “gimmicks.” | House Budget Chair Paul Ryan (2012) called Obama’s FY2013 budget “politically driven and incomplete.” |
| George W. Bush (R) | Democrats said his budgets hid the true cost of wars and tax cuts. | 2003–2006 budgets often omitted full Iraq/Afghanistan costs. |
| Clinton (D) | Early budgets attacked as “rosy scenario” projections. | GOP leaders in 1993–1994 said his deficit forecasts “didn’t add up.” |
| Reagan (R) | Democrats said Reagan’s supply-side forecasts were “nonsensical.” | 1981 budget assumed 4–5% sustained growth; Congress heavily rewrote it. |
| resident | Years in office (budgets counted) | On-time vs late (examples) | Score (0–10) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Joe Biden | 2021–2025 (FY2022–FY2026) | All late: FY2022 (May 28, 2021), FY2023 (Mar 28, 2022), FY2024 (Mar 9, 2023), FY2025 (Mar 11, 2024). The White House+6Congress.gov+6GovInfo+6 | 0/10 |
| Donald J. Trump | 2017–2021 (FY2018–FY2021) | All late: FY2018 (Mar 16, 2017), FY2019 (Feb 12, 2018), FY2020 (Mar 11, 2019), FY2021 (Feb 10, 2020). GovInfo+4Every CRS Report+4GovInfo+4 | 1/10 |
| Barack Obama | 2009–2017 (FY2010–FY2017) | Mixed: very late in transition FY2010 (May 7, 2009); on time in FY2011 (Feb 1, 2010) and FY2016 (Feb 2, 2015); several others late (e.g., FY2014 on Apr 10, 2013). Wikipedia+3Congress.gov+3GovInfo+3 | 3/10 |
| George W. Bush | 2001–2009 (FY2002–FY2009) | Mostly on time: transition FY2002 was late (Apr 9, 2001), but FY2003–FY2009 were timely (Feb 4, 2002; Feb 3, 2003; Feb 2, 2004; Feb 7, 2005; Feb 6, 2006; Feb 5, 2007; Feb 4, 2008). GovInfo+7GovInfo+7GovInfo+7 | 9/10 |
| Bill Clinton | 1993–2001 (FY1994–FY2001) | Mixed: late in FY1994 (Apr 8, 1993) and FY1997 (Mar 19, 1996); close/late in FY1998 (Feb 6, 1997); generally on time FY1995, FY1999–FY2001 (Feb 7, 1994; Feb 2, 1998; Feb 1, 1999; Feb 7, 2000). The White House+6Clinton Presidential Materials Project+6GovInfo+6 | 5/10 |
| George H. W. Bush | 1989–1993 (FY1990–FY1993) | Consistently within window for his own budgets: FY1991 (Jan 29, 1990), FY1992 (Feb 4, 1991), FY1993 (Jan 29, 1992). (FY1990 belonged to Reagan.) FRASER+2FRASER+2 | 10/10 |
| Ronald Reagan | 1981–1989 (FY1982–FY1989) | Mostly near deadline; FY1989 submission was notably late (CRS flags >30 days). Every CRS Report | 7/10 |
| Jimmy Carter | 1977–1981 (FY1979–FY1981*) | Generally met early-February timing under the 1974 Act; not as well documented online year-by-year as later administrations. (Counting only years entirely under the “first Monday in Feb” rule.) Budget Counsel | 7/10 (approx.) |
Nobody said it was a law. It is a law that the president has to propose the budget, and that is legally the beginning of the budget process. trump is just no good at starting budget processes.
Democrats tend to do better than Republicans, but yes, there is a major problem with getting it done on time. There is usually a need for continuing resolutions...
And lots of last second negotiations. Which is what is different this time. trump has refused to negotiate, and instead showed insulting computer generated videos. Republicans on this board have said how proud they are that trump rather than leading has decided to act like a troll. Now Republicans have fled DC to block any negotiation.
again, you simply lie
House Passes H.R. 5371, The Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2026
Washington, D.C. – Today, the House of Representatives met to consider H.R. 5371, the Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2026. The measure was approved by a vote of 217 to 212.
This is a clean CR. You can't even be honest about one thing here
No, it cancels out the Affordable Care Act subsidies for the next year.
liar.
Those were cancelled by the very legislation Democrats advanced when it was passed. You chose to sunset them so you could lie about the cost of those spending programs when it was Democrats turn to come up with their budget proposal. Now you have to live with your lies and deceptions.
This is a clean CR. It continues to fund every piece of legislation passed