A beginner's guide to being an atheist, by Richard Dawkins

Cypress said:
Good. Then we agree there is no answer we remotely know of for how chemistry can create a conscience, free will, a moral sensibility.
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My mistake. I was referring to one of your other absurd posts.

Once life began and evolved until humans came on the scene, conscience, morals and the such were just evolutionary traits that humans developed. Other species developed traits as well. Birds of prey - keen eyesight. Canines and cats - great sense of smell. Bats - some sort of radar. On and on.

We already covered that. Ad nauseam.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Wow. Not much interested in science, are you? No worries since this is a point of commonality between you and your little friend, Perry PhD.

Soooo....no mystery. The old Clinton line is the Atheist motto? "It is what it is" and move on from there? Interesting.
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Pally boy, I had more science by junior high than you have your entire life.

Life IS what we have. Some of us even have an evolved brain. You can continue to shit yourself over your silly obsession. Will you be able to find someone to wipe your heiney?
 
Freddy Figbottom said:
of course subatomic particles don't have morality, but humans do:
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Humans are entirely composed of quarks and electrons. I'm the one who believes there is probably more to life, the universe, and everything than just matter and energy.

As far as I can tell I am the only poster in the last six pages who believes that.

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophies, Horatio." -- Hamlet
Freddy Figbottom said:
you're still trying to mix physics and morality, and it's fucking stupid.
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If I am talking to people who believe all that exists is matter and energy, the topic of physics is going to come up, regardless of whether it makes you angry :cuss:
 
Cypress said:
Humans are entirely composed of quarks and electrons. I'm the one who believes there is probably more to life, the universe, and everything than just matter and energy.
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ok. you believe in a vast transcendent reality,

but you hate morality because matter is complicated?

you're just a fucking idiot who misses the point of religion entirely. or not.

I actually believe you are on a quest to degrade human culture.

and you suck at arguing.

:truestory:
 
domer76 said:
My mistake. I was referring to one of your other absurd posts.
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You must be a foul-mouthed little dick in real life. I have always consciously avoided directly insulting and demeaning you.
domer76 said:
Once life began and evolved until humans came on the scene, conscience, morals and the such were just evolutionary traits that humans developed. Other species developed traits as well. Birds of prey - keen eyesight. Canines and cats - great sense of smell. Bats - some sort of radar. On and on.

We already covered that. Ad nauseam.
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No adequate and believable explanation was ever given.

Just hollering out words like 'synapse' isn't an explanation for anything. Synapses are molecular structures that can be observed and measured, but they are not an explanation.

How inanimate chemistry acquired consciousness is a mystery that we might take centuries to understand, if we ever do.
 
Cypress said:
Thanks for chiming in.

There is nothing in my everyday experience or my intuition that tells me, conscience, free will, and love freely given to others are illusions.

Whatever kicked off the process of life and evolution, I don't see any reason why it should be out to trick us.

The concept of boundaries and infinite universes is pure speculation, and there is nothing approaching a consensus about it. I have read that a universe with positive spacial curvature is not infinite, and nothing exists outside the space time of this universe, because the universe is not expanding into "something". Even a vaccum is 'something', it has three spatial dimensions, length, width, and height, and one temporal dimension at a minimum.
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I have no meaningful argument in opposition to your view.
It's at least as plausible as mine, but my own mind can't imagine it.
Like you, I lean toward what I can imagine, probably also based on my experiences,
and there's certainly no harm, I would think, in our both sharing our own perceptions.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I have no meaningful argument in opposition to your view.
It's at least as plausible as mine, but my own mind can't imagine it.
Like you, I lean toward what I can imagine, probably also based on my experiences,
and there's certainly no harm, I would think, in our both sharing our own perceptions.
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Fair enough. My mind has changed multiple times over the decades, as I read, learned, and reflected more.

I certainly cannot categorically rule out the possibility that nothing is real but the motions of subatomic particles and that we are just a cosmic accident.
 
Cypress said:
You must be a foul-mouthed little dick in real life. I have always consciously avoided directly insulting and demeaning you.

No adequate and believable explanation was ever given.

Just hollering out words like 'synapse' isn't an explanation for anything. Synapses are molecular structures that can be observed and measured, but they are not an explanation.

How inanimate chemistry acquired consciousness is a mystery that we might take centuries to understand, if we ever do.
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Look man, you’ve got this fucking obsession with quarks and electrons. We agree that matter is made of those, OK? Rocks AND people.

You want some explanation of how human consciousness, morality and the such originated in a fucking political forum? I gave you the explanation that I’ve read from anthropologists and neuroscientists. It’s nothing more than an evolved trait, just like any other trait a species developed to improve the chances of survival. It’s merely that those are HUMAN traits.

If you want a deeper explanation than that, go do some fucking homework rather than hound me. I’ve had about enough of you telling me a rock or your fucking cat don’t possess a moral code.
 
domer76 said:
You want some explanation of how human consciousness, morality and the such originated in a fucking political forum?
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Have you noticed this board has subcategories having nothing to do with politics? Do you feel like your only interest in life is politics?

An admission that there is no accepted explanation for how inanimate chemicals create consciousness, free will, morality is the only honest answer here

domer76 said:
I gave you the explanation that I’ve read from anthropologists and neuroscientists. It’s nothing more than an evolved trait, just like any other trait a species developed to improve the chances of survival. It’s merely that those are HUMAN traits.
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That's not an explanation, no matter how much you desire it to be an explanation.
Calling it an "evolved trait" or hollering about synapses explains nothing at the fundamental level of science. It's just a description of observed properties.

There are no legitimate scientists on the planet who think we can adequately explain how inanimate chemistry creates consciousness.

Rather than being honest and admit humans don't really know, you've been trying to bullshit your way through this.
domer76 said:
If you want a deeper explanation than that, go do some fucking homework rather than hound me. I’ve had about enough of you telling me a rock or your fucking cat don’t possess a moral code.
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There are no legitimate scientists on the planet who think we can adequately explain how inanimate chemistry creates consciousness.

There's no rational reason that should make you foul-mouthed and angry:cuss:, unless you take it as a personal attack on your atheist worldview.
 
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Freddy Figbottom said:
cypress = moronic degrader of human morality!:cuss:
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ftfy...I'm the only one willing to say I don't really know how human consciousness emerges from inanimate chemistry. And that is also the universal consensus of all legitimate scientists.

It's you militants atheists who are trying to bullshit me that you know how to explain it.

So who is really acting like the know-it-all jackasses?
 
domer76 said:
Pally boy, I had more science by junior high than you have your entire life.

Life IS what we have. Some of us even have an evolved brain. You can continue to shit yourself over your silly obsession. Will you be able to find someone to wipe your heiney?
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^^^
It's easy to see when a person runs out of logical arguments.

No worries, domer76. I know you are sensitive about protecting your beliefs. Feel free to carry on as usual. :)
 
Cypress said:
ftfy...I'm the only one willing to say I don't really know how human consciousness emerges from inanimate chemistry. And that is also the universal consensus of all legitimate scientists.

It's you militants atheists who are trying to bullshit me that you know how to explain it.

So who is really acting like the know-it-all jackasses?
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I don't care about explaining the origin of consciousness.

religion is about how to treat each other.


your insistence that they're related Is irrational; and it's also the lynchpin in your sad and transaparent demoralization agenda.


:truestory:
 
domer76 said:
Why?

Because one is a rock and the other is a human.
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That's not a scientific explanation.

That's a blanket assertion with zero explanatory power.

Please explain at the fundamental level of chemistry and physics, how subatomic particles, atoms, and molecules create self awareness, consciousness, free will, moral sensitivity.

Tossing out words like evolution and synapses are not a scientific explanation. Evolution is just a process, it's not an explanation. The explanation for descent with modification is natural selection and genetic drift, etc. Synapse is just a classification for a molecular structure. That's not an explanation to the question posed.

If physical materialism is true, the ultimate explanation has to be at the level of physics and chemistry. That's the fundamental reality of human bodies and all matter.

On the other hand, you could just admit we don't know how consciousness emerges from inanimate chemistry and it's still a mystery. There's no shame in pleading ignorance.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
^^^
It's easy to see when a person runs out of logical arguments.

No worries, domer76. I know you are sensitive about protecting your beliefs. Feel free to carry on as usual. :)
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Just like with most bible thumpers, when you press militant atheists with pointed questions to justify their worldview, they tend to get angry and defensive
 
Cypress said:
Just like with most bible thumpers, when you press militant atheists with pointed questions to justify their worldview, they tend to get angry and defensive
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They claim they know but they never can explain it. They devolve into insults and false accusations. It's an expected response in 12-year-olds, but not in anyone over 35. I consider militant atheists to be as wacky as Jesus Freaks running around with his finger in the air shouting "Jesus is Lord!" Both use emotional argument and are often lacking in logic.

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