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Harvard says it’s been giving too many A grades to students
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cawacko
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So I understand your position, are you saying academic rigor would threaten the power structure and the students aren’t up to it? Thus the grade inflation?
No. Saying what I already wrote. They just want to say Harvard grads are all A students.
If say a Texas A+M did the same and called itself out would it be newsworthy? (I know nothing about Texas A+M)
Today, kids don’t need to attend class, I know that personally, I paid big bucks for my daughter to attend one of those elite universities and I found out later with her brother ratting on her that she seldom attended class, all her lectures were broadcasted on the Internet. She graduated with honors
I see USC climbed from a four and half, to six, to now six and half favorite come Saturday. Road game, hostile crowd, but Vegas is showing confidence in the Trojans, do you know how much that nickname was made fun of growing up back East
cawacko
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The reason this gets attention is because it's Harvard. Harvard is one of the biggest academic brands on the planet.
It was before my time but I'm remined of the Russians and Sputnik and LBJ's response that America needs to step up our academic game to compete with the Russians. Harvard produces a disproportionate share of our business and political leaders, along with judges etc. That's why what happens there gets this level attention and is important to our country.
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Yeah, we moved back into the Top 25 during our bye week. I think there's a real advantage for the SEC not having to travel like the Big 10 (and ACC) do. Your comment reminded me of a shirt I bought while in school that said something along the lines of "Trojans never break".
This N.I.L. has completely transformed the game but it has leveled the playing field to a certain degree along with the transfer portal. Kids who used to sit at the big schools will transfer immediately for playing time now. Few dominant teams.
Something has to give with all these buyouts for coaches. The thing is with so many openings, when does it end? Numerous schools competing for the same few coaches. And these coaches agents will leverage these openings with their existing schools. Not sustainable.
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I guess some school told you how brilliant you were. Too bad it doesn't make you brilliant.
Louisiana got the solution
Louisiana governor says he'll let Donald Trump pick next LSU football coach before athletic director does
It seems pretty clear that LSU AD Scott Woodward won't be leading the search for Brian Kelly's replacement.
As I stated earlier, NIL’s problem isn’t just the effects of big money, more so it’s damage on the schools and amateur athletics, what happens when that five million dollar QB at a State school decides he ain’t wasting time attending class. Won’t be a problem at Harvard
cawacko
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The NCAA fvcked up. USC got years probation, bowl bans and lost 30 scholarships because Reggie Bush's family took money from a wanna be agent his Junior year. Think about that.Louisiana got the solution
Louisiana governor says he'll let Donald Trump pick next LSU football coach before athletic director does
It seems pretty clear that LSU AD Scott Woodward won't be leading the search for Brian Kelly's replacement.sports.yahoo.com
As I stated earlier, NIL’s problem isn’t just the effects of big money, more so it’s damage on the schools and amateur athletics, what happens when that five million dollar QB at a State school decides he ain’t wasting time attending class. Won’t be a problem at Harvard
The NCAA was stuck in an outdated model and refused to change. Now the system has essentially collapsed and these kids are clearly no longer amateurs.
I was listening to an interview with Coach O. He was asked why Brian Kelly failed and he said he didn't think he embraced Lousiana. LSU is the school for the state for football. That Governor is taking Coach O's to heart.
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So cutting edge and topicalI know everything is political today and about culture wars but these kids, at elite schools like Harvard, are our future business and political leaders. To me, these kids not being challenged is not good for the future of our country.
Harvard says it’s been giving too many A grades to students
More than half of the grades handed out at Harvard College are A’s, an increase from decades past even as school officials have sounded the alarm for years about rampant grade inflation.
About 60% of the grades handed out in classes for the university’s undergraduate program are A’s, up from 40% a decade ago and less than a quarter 20 years ago, according to a report released Monday by Harvard’s Office of Undergraduate Education. Other elite universities, including competing Ivy League schools, have also been struggling to rein in grade inflation.
The report’s author, Harvard undergraduate dean Amanda Claybaugh, urged faculty to curtail the practice of awarding top scores to the majority of students, saying it undermines academic culture.
“Current practices are not only failing to perform the key functions of grading; they are also damaging the academic culture of the college more generally,” she said in the report.
Harvard’s academic programs are under additional scrutiny because of the Trump administration’s investigations into the university and broader efforts to remake higher education in the US. Federal officials have asked universities to sign a compact that includes commitments to “grade integrity” and the use of “defensible standards” when evaluating students.
One reason why grade inflation has increased at Harvard is concern among faculty about being tougher than their peers and thereby discouraging enrollment in their courses, Claybaugh said in the study, which was reported earlier by the Harvard Crimson.
Administrators have contributed to the issue by telling professors they should be mindful that some students struggle with “imposter syndrome” or have difficult family situations, she said. In addition, Harvard students, while not the “snowflake” stereotypes they’re sometimes made out to be, pressure their professors for better grades, according to the report.
The cutoff for earning summa cum laude honors at Harvard is now 3.989, higher than previous years. However, the number of first-year students with a 4.0 grade point average decreased by about 12% in the most recently completed academic year compared with the prior period. That’s a sign of progress and a reminder that the university isn’t “at the mercy of inexorable trends, that the grades we give don’t always have to rise,” Claybaugh said.
The Harvard report recommended that faculty share the median grades for courses and review the distribution of grades over time. A separate university committee is considering allowing faculty to give out a limited number of A+ grades, a break from Harvard’s current top grade of A. Such a move “would increase the information our grades provide by distinguishing the very best students,” Claybaugh said.
Administrators can also help mitigate grade inflation by better valuing rigorous teaching processes in faculty reviews, she said.
Harvard says it’s been giving too many A grades to students | Fortune
About 60% of the grades handed out in classes for the university’s undergraduate program are A’s, up from 40% a decade ago and less than a quarter 20 years ago.fortune.com
Harvard and other psuedo-elite skools have been handing out inflated grades forever; even George W. got his 'Gentleman's C-", as do almost all 'Legacy' student's, which probably make up a third of enrollments.
Approximately 35%
Approximately 35% of Harvard's undergraduate admissions are legacy applicants. This means that legacy students are significantly more likely to be admitted to Harvard compared to non-legacy applicants.
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Combined with all the Woke imbeciles they like to admit, that leaves pretty much no room for real scholars and academics, especially white students. The so-called 'Ivy League' skools are a bad joke. When one goes through its directory to see where its professors graduated from, it's pretty funny that Harvard rarely hires anybody that graduated from Harvard or any other Ivy League skool, outside of the usual quota filling Woke idiocy.
Approximately 35%
Approximately 35% of Harvard's undergraduate admissions are legacy applicants. This means that legacy students are significantly more likely to be admitted to Harvard compared to non-legacy applicants.
Legacy Admissions Statistics: Reports 2025
Our in-depth WifiTalents Market Report about Legacy Admissions Statistics. Explore the latest data.
Combined with all the Woke imbeciles they like to admit, that leaves pretty much no room for real scholars and academics, especially white students. The so-called 'Ivy League' skools are a bad joke. When one goes through its directory to see where its professors graduated from, it's pretty funny that Harvard rarely hires anybody that graduated from Harvard or any other Ivy League skool, outside of the usual quota filling Woke idiocy.
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With the Ivys it is the getting in that is the winning of the lottery, because once you get in so long as the bills are paid and you dont do anything stupid and you put in Min Effort you will collect a degree.Harvard and other psuedo-elite skools have been handing out inflated grades forever; even George W. got his 'Gentleman's C-", as do almost all 'Legacy' student's, which probably make up a third of enrollments.
Approximately 35%
Approximately 35% of Harvard's undergraduate admissions are legacy applicants. This means that legacy students are significantly more likely to be admitted to Harvard compared to non-legacy applicants.
Legacy Admissions Statistics: Reports 2025
Our in-depth WifiTalents Market Report about Legacy Admissions Statistics. Explore the latest data.
Combined with all the Woke imbeciles they like to admit, that leaves pretty much no room for real scholars and academics, especially white students. The so-called 'Ivy League' skools are a bad joke. When one goes through its directory to see where its professors graduated from, it's pretty funny that Harvard rarely hires anybody that graduated from Harvard or any other Ivy League skool, outside of the usual quota filling Woke idiocy.
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Not really. Your take is very short sighted.
If grade inflation is a problem across the country then Harvard would mention to see if there is an appetite and will to try for a country wide solution.
Otherwise you end up with certain Universities giving out much higher grades than others and that can be super challenging for employers to cut through in determining who is best qualified for jobs.
Even if you argue that a Harvard B grade would be seen as a Superior to a Yale A grade (who knows?), that would still be challenging for most employers to decide where the line is and it gets worse and worse with less well known Universities.
The parallel is an arms race where the one who disarms on his own, while others do not is subject to the most harm but if all disarm (reduce arms and spending) they all benefit.
cawacko
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Fair point. I get what you’re saying about it being a broader problem, and you’re right that consistency matters across schools. It’s a big issue everywhere.
My point is that when a school with Harvard’s stature publicly admits it’s a problem, it carries extra weight and it’s not good for the country.