You must refuse illegal orders!

Earl said:
If you had served, you would know that the military receives hours of training about Article 92, of the UCMJ.

These Congress people are trying to to cause friction between the officer ranks and the enlisted ranks.

They should be prosecuted.
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Not just prosecuted but they should be indicted for Treason. The punishment for treason has been and should be
the death penalty in this case of these 6 anti American democrats.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I see the unfaithful pEarl has weighed in but haven't read his excuses yet. This should be interesting.

Let's say troops are deployed to an American city, because they are. What would constitute an unlawful order? Firing on protesters? Assaulting protesters? Arresting protesters? Looking the other way if police brutality is happening? Stopping police brutality? Is there a rule book for something for them to consult?
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:magagrin:
 
Earl said:
If you had served, you would know that the military receives hours of training about Article 92, of the UCMJ.

These Congress people are trying to to cause friction between the officer ranks and the enlisted ranks.

They should be prosecuted.
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If the Congress people should be prosecuted for repeating and reinforcing what is said in the "hours of training about Article 92, of the UCMJ", then those who teach those hours in the military should also be prosecuted for saying the same thing.

There is no ability in US law to say it is 'legal for Group A to say it', but 'illegal for Group B to say it'.

You need to be smarter.
 
Libhater said:
Not just prosecuted but they should be indicted for Treason. The punishment for treason has been and should be
the death penalty in this case of these 6 anti American democrats.
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The patriotic Democrat message is a good one. You must refuse unlawful orders. Why do you evil trumptard fucks have such a problem with following the law?
 
Trump is consistently pushing out to those who serve under him things that are potentially illegal and clearly illegal, where they could be charged if they follow thru.

He has:

- told police officers to commit violence against arrested people ('do not be nice') already in custody
- asking if we cannot just shoot protestors in the legs
- telling cops if 'looting starts then your shooting starts', with no regard for trying to get surrender and arrest
- authorizing ICE to use 'whatever means necessary, to make arrests and protect themselves'
- authorizing the blowing up of ships in the Caribbean, which has no foundation in law, under a claim of them 'being drug ships'
- talking about sending secret missile strikes into Mexico


Whether you are the head of the Military or the police or any govt agency, or you are retired from any of those roles, or you are currently in Congress or any leadership position CONSTANTLY reminding all serving people that if any leader says things that, if you followed could lead you to being charged where 'just following orders' would not be a defense for is not just smart but NECESSARY.
 
Earl said:
If you had served, you would know that the military receives hours of training about Article 92, of the UCMJ.

These Congress people are trying to to cause friction between the officer ranks and the enlisted ranks.

They should be prosecuted.
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Nope. That exists because Trump has no respect for laws and regulations. He breaks through the lines as a rule. The law is for other people. He is pushing people into bad situations. The people shooting down boats in Venezuealan waters are afraid of getting pulled into legal danger. They can be prosecuted and then exonerated. Trump will use the courts on them, too.
 
Phantasmal said:
The courts have found Trump’s attacks on the boats to be illegal. Those who carried out the missions could be charged?
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Man he's going to have to pardon so many people, including himself before he leaves office. So much extra-constitutional authoritarian bullying - not because it's necessary - because the cult actually loves seeing people beaten on for their beliefs.
 
Jarod said:
Akin to Abu Ghraib and the Malay massacre.

Does anyone here disagree American troops should be required to follow illegal orders?

Disobeying an unlawful order is required by law!
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The real question isn't should troops follow an illegal order. It should be self-evident that they should not. The real question is How can troops know an order is illegal?

I know that if I had received a questionable order I likely would ask first for clarification, then possibly get it in writing (if time permitted) before acting on it. An order in a grey zone or one that I disagree with doesn't clearly rise to "illegal."

For example, the blowing up of those drug boats. The aircrew or ship's crew firing on that boat likely doesn't have all the intelligence data that went into that decision. They aren't getting it either. They've been ordered to destroy a hostile target and they do it. If they refuse, it's likely career ending and possible they'll face legal consequences for that refusal.

So, reducing this question to one that's black and white isn't happening.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The real question isn't should troops follow an illegal order. It should be self-evident that they should not. The real question is How can troops know an order is illegal?

I know that if I had received a questionable order I likely would ask first for clarification, then possibly get it in writing (if time permitted) before acting on it. An order in a grey zone or one that I disagree with doesn't clearly rise to "illegal."

For example, the blowing up of those drug boats. The aircrew or ship's crew firing on that boat likely doesn't have all the intelligence data that went into that decision. They aren't getting it either. They've been ordered to destroy a hostile target and they do it. If they refuse, it's likely career ending and possible they'll face legal consequences for that refusal.

So, reducing this question to one that's black and white isn't happening.
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None of those people will be prosecuted because it’s an incredibly grey area. However, there are plenty of areas that are not gray. I hope troops are given an education on legal v. Illegal orders.
 
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