Are you the type of person who would execute wounded survivors of a missile strike?

Phantasmal said:
A complaint has been filed by a Colombian woman stating her husband was a fisherman and not a drug smuggler.

www.yahoo.com

Family of fisherman killed in US boat strike files complaint alleging he was murdered

Alejandro Carranza was killed in a strike in the Caribbean on Sept. 15.
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Good. That will force the defense to produce evidence to the contrary.

What strikes me as odd is the fact not a single fentanyl pill has been produced as evidence by the Trump administration.

These facts are contrary to what We, the People, are being told by the Trump administration:
1. Most fentanyl comes from Mexico
2. Like Trump's Honduran friend Hernandez, Venezuela's Maduro mostly produces cocaine. Maybe Maduro didn't pay a bribe to Trump like Hernandez?
3. The boats being sunk are incapable of reaching US shores. They are all headed for Caribbean islands where they could be interdicted upon docking.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agree on the main issue. While the targeting of boats on the high seas, especially the extrajudicial murder of people, is debatable, it depends upon the intelligence confirming they were, indeed, drug-carrying boats. The specific targeting of survivors is a war crime.

In war, if one plane shoots down another, that's war. If the pilot dies in the attack, that's war. If the pilot bails out and is shot dangling from their parachute or in the water, that's a war crime.
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Agree, shooting a guy in a parachute who bailed after his plane was shot down is incomprehensible.
 
Cypress said:
Agree, shooting a guy in a parachute who bailed after his plane was shot down is incomprehensible.
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It kills the enemy so it's logical, but it's still a war crime.

The Israelis targeting a hospital is a war crime. The Israelis targeting a Hamas comm center under the hospital is not. However, by placing their comm center under a hospital, school or mosque, Hamas leaders are guilty of a war crime.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It kills the enemy so it's logical, but it's still a war crime.
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A live prisoner is valuable, for acquiring Intel and maybe trading them for your own guys being held prisoner.
Dutch Uncle said:
The Israelis targeting a hospital is a war crime. The Israelis targeting a Hamas comm center under the hospital is not. However, by placing their comm center under a hospital, school or mosque, Hamas leaders are guilty of a war crime.
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Tough call on the hospital. I sure would like a way to warn civilians before striking.
 
FastLane said:
You are too cheap.
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Since you refuse to provide source, I looked and lo and behold your story is not accurate.

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The scenario you described is a real-world event that recently occurred and is the subject of ongoing news coverage and controversy
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The situation involves U.S. military strikes on alleged drug-smuggling vessels in the Caribbean Sea. Key details of the situation align with your description:
  • Intercepted communication: U.S. forces gathered intelligence on suspected drug-smuggling activities.
  • Order to destroy: Reports indicate that U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a verbal order to "kill everybody" on a vessel and destroy it to prevent the recovery of drugs or survivors by other traffickers.
    • Boat disabled, not destroyed initially: In at least one specific incident on September 2, 2025, an initial missile strike disabled the boat, but two survivors were seen clinging to the wreckage.
    • Follow-up strike: A commander on the scene, Admiral Frank Bradley, then ordered a second strike to ensure the vessel was sunk and the threat eliminated, which resulted in the death of the survivors.
This has led to significant political and legal debate, with lawmakers and legal experts questioning the legality of the second strike under the law of armed conflict, which generally prohibits killing shipwrecked or incapacitated persons. The White House and the Department of Defense have defended the actions, stating they were within the commander's authority and necessary to stop drug flow.

Where is the alleged intercepted communication between a survivor and the drug smugglers?
 
Cypress said:
A live prisoner is valuable, for acquiring Intel and maybe trading them for your own guys being held prisoner.

Tough call on the hospital. I sure would like a way to warn civilians before striking.
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Those in the area know the entrances to underground Hamas facilities. The Israelis use HUMINT to identify the targets. If the HUMINT locals know, so do many others.

Warning the "civilians" would also warn Hamas. The optimal strategy is to hit the target at a low point in activity such as 3AM. The US bombed a facility in Libya back in the 80s(?) using this strategy to minimize civilian causalities. Not good for the poor bastards on the cleaning crew, but still a good strategy to save lives.
 
FastLane said:
Yes there was a second strike to sink the disabled drug boat so smugglers could not retrieve the drugs on the boat. Totally legal.
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It was on the high seas. Having a navy ship pick survivors up would provide us with valuable Intel on the drug smugglers, and it would prove to the world there were drugs on that boat.

Why kill the people and destroy the evidence that would prove your claims?
 
Cypress said:
It was on the high seas. Having a navy ship pick them up would provide us with valuable Intel on the drug smugglers, and it would prove to the world there were drugs on that boat.

Why kill the people and destroy the evidence that would prove your claims?
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Why return two victims captured alive in another incidence instead of putting them on trial for drug smuggling. There is a lot questionable activity that needs investigated.
 
Phantasmal said:
Why return two victims captured alive in another incidence instead of putting them on trial for drug smuggling. There is a lot questionable activity that needs investigated.
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Good point, it makes no sense.

If drug smugglers are actually apprehended, I want them interrogated for Intel, and prosecuted for their crimes against the United States.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Those in the area know the entrances to underground Hamas facilities. The Israelis use HUMINT to identify the targets. If the HUMINT locals know, so do many others.

Warning the "civilians" would also warn Hamas. The optimal strategy is to hit the target at a low point in activity such as 3AM. The US bombed a facility in Libya back in the 80s(?) using this strategy to minimize civilian causalities. Not good for the poor bastards on the cleaning crew, but still a good strategy to save lives.
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True, there are a lot of factors, strategic and tactical, to consider when striking terrorists who embed themselves in a civilian population.
 
Cypress said:
It was on the high seas. Having a navy ship pick them up would provide us with valuable Intel on the drug smugglers, and it would prove to the world there were drugs on that boat.

Why kill the people and destroy the evidence that would prove your claims?
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Exactly. The same drones used to target the boats can be used to detect if they have large weapons on board such as a 12.7MM or .50 cal machine gun. A destroyer's

Russian DShK 12.7mm heavy machine gun has an effective range of 1.5 miles.
US Browning .50-caliber heavy machine gun has an effective range of 1.1 miles.

The 5-inch gun on a US Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer (DDG) has an effective range of almost 15 miles. They can stand off a suspected drug boat and put a round through it while still at a safe distance away if the boat doesn't stop to be boarded. This would preserve all the drugs onboard if the round is put through the bow from 2 miles away.
 
Earl said:
Fentanyl has played a major role in the US overdose crisis since 2013, with a significant increase in related deaths over the last decade
. As of late 2023, approximately 72,776 people died from fentanyl overdoses nationwide that year, and over a quarter of a million Americans have died from fentanyl overdoses since 2021.


That’s just deaths from fentanyl.
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That's mostly MAGA and I am sad for it. They are so stupid.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Exactly. The same drones used to target the boats can be used to detect if they have large weapons on board such as a 12.7MM or .50 cal machine gun. A destroyer's

Russian DShK 12.7mm heavy machine gun has an effective range of 1.5 miles.
US Browning .50-caliber heavy machine gun has an effective range of 1.1 miles.

The 5-inch gun on a US Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer (DDG) has an effective range of almost 15 miles. They can stand off a suspected drug boat and put a round through it while still at a safe distance away if the boat doesn't stop to be boarded. This would preserve all the drugs onboard if the round is put through the bow from 2 miles away.
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Nice work on the specs and details.

I wonder what the motivation is for Fastlane being so keen to kill the people and destroy the evidence which would prove his claims?
 
Cypress said:
True, there are a lot of factors, strategic and tactical, to consider when striking terrorists who embed themselves in a civilian population.
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Hamas and their Jihadist predecessors regularly use meat shields for two main reasons:
1. They know Westerners are reluctant to kill civilians.
2. If civilians are killed, the Jihadists can hold up the dead babies for the Western media to present to the world.
Win-Win!

This is why it's a war crime for the Jihadists to do this.

www.icrc.org

The protection of hospitals during armed conflicts: What the law says

According to international humanitarian law (IHL), health establishments and units, including hospitals, should not be attacked. This protection extends to the wounded and sick as well as to medical staff and means of transport. The rule has few exceptions.
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According to international humanitarian law (IHL), health establishments and units, including hospitals, should not be attacked. This protection extends to the wounded and sick as well as to medical staff and means of transport. The rule has few exceptions....

...Furthermore, depending on the circumstances, certain acts harmful to the enemy may amount to a violation of precautionary obligations to protect the wounded and sick, as well as health-care personnel and objects against the effects of attacks or to a violation of the prohibition to use human shield. A concrete example would be the placing of a medical establishment or unit in proximity to a military objective with the intention of shielding it from enemy's military operations.
 
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