They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

Agreed.

Point 1 & & are illogical as there can be no certainty without proof. Simply calling a belief (whether in 1 or 7) something 'you know for sure' is misusing the words. I have no issue with anyone saying they 'absolutely believe to their core and they do not doubt' but going a step beyond to 'know for sure' is both illogical and crosses into dumb.

I have not met anyone in bucket 7 and i have spoken to a ton of atheists, as i actually studied this and religions for a period, on my own personal voyage, but i am sure in a big world such illogical people exist.
I've hung out on several religious and atheist forums over the decades. Like political extremists, religious extremists, and I'm including #7 Atheists here, dislike people who tell them they are full of shit. LOL
 
If you google the definitions for atheist to agnostic, you will get countless different definitions including what you say above but most atheists i have spoken to, including myself, as one, subscribe to the definition i put above which i would call the most common.

The reason i do not subscribe to the "they believe that God X does not exist" definition is that it makes the least sense.

Holding an affirmative BELIEF that something you have no evidence on, either way, does or does not exist, is just illogical.

but it is pointless going around on this unless we get one agreed to definition of what an Atheist is and agnostic is, otherwise we are likely speaking to entirely different things.
There is another alternative to what you suggested in your last paragraph, QP...and it has terrific advantages over what you propose. And that is not to use the descriptor...but rather to actually write out your position on the matter in clear language. That not only eliminates the problem with the multiple definitions...it eliminates the problem of misrepresenting one's position.

Here, once again, is mine:

I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things.


(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)

Most people reading that would deem it an agnostic position. But at least one of the "definitions" of "atheist" would cause some people to call it an atheistic position. The word, as a descriptor, is useless.

So I would ask you two questions:

1) How do you describe your position on the issue?

2) What, specifically, do you disagree with about mine?
 
Didn't take him long to make $$$ off selling his own version, did it? I wonder how many of our MAGATs here forked out $60 for their very own copy of the Trump-approved Revised version? lol
His own version? Are you suggesting he has his own interpretation of the Bible. The Bible that Trump sells is a KJV. That is a King James Version for all you heathens. .
 
His faith is strong... For a number of reasons... That kind of faith is making a comeback in America these days....Take a look around... Those who have abandoned their religious beliefs may just want to take a second look....

Here is another example of your many lies that we were discussing elsewhere. You have absolutely no way to know what Trump's faith is, nor does anyone else other than maybe family/inner circle. He doesn't go to church. He does not speak or behave as a faithful Christian does. He does not honor Christian holidays other than to issue hate-filled blasts on social media about half the people in this nation -- including actual Christians. Like you, he uses the religion to virtue-signal while understanding nothing of it.

As Jesus once said about you and Trump and the rest of the false Christians:

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them". Matthew 7:16-20
 
Why are you so shy about defining heaven?
Evil people can't define Heaven since they prefer to be in Hell with the Pedo King.

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