𝗥𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗲 𝗚𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗲𝗺𝗮𝘀𝗰𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗹 𝗽𝘂𝘀𝘀𝘆 𝗝𝗼𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗘 𝗥𝗼𝘀𝘀.

[LurchAddams]

Anecdote is not evidence. Your friend got lucky. On the other hand, badgering an officer while he's trying to arrest someone isn't "free speech," it's interfering with an officer in the performance of his duties.

Hey tiger! Spanked it to a Japanese cartoon lately? Pretty much all you're good for now.

 

[LurchAddams]

We have also treated often violent protesters with kid gloves.

We have to stop the idea that citizens can mistreat authorities and flaunt the law. It isn't an illegal order for a police officer to ask or tell you to get out of a vehicle once they've made a traffic stop. It is pushing your luck to taunt the officer or argue with them about it.

So.... have you?

 

[QP!]

The officer who killed her overreacted.... Ashley was not armed.... The girl who Drove her car ... a large weapon...Into the ice agent was
following her wife's directions Instead of complying with the agents directions....Both lives lost were tragedies and unnecessary... A result of poor decisions....

you are wrong again, as already pointed out.

we had hundreds of cops beaten badly, to the point they had no control over their guns being taken from them, if the mob wanted them. That makes the Mob, as all mobs are who massively out number cops and can surround them both armed and extremely dangerous and they demonstrate that by first beating any cop who dares to fight back.

If you are Trumps secret service or the police protecting Congress members you CANNOT allow a mob to get that much control of you and your weapons by marching to surround you. that is the weapon they have and it is very real.

So no security (not Trumps SS or Congess') CAN or WILL allow the mob that type of control, where Trump or Congress members are then subject only to the mobs decision as to what to do with them.

Ashley dies only as a result of her poor decision making. Asking Trumps SS or Congress security to just let them have their way would be stupid and would NEVER happen.

 

[TOP]

you are wrong again, as already pointed out.

we had hundreds of cops beaten badly, to the point they had no control over their guns being taken from them, if the mob wanted them. That makes the Mob, as all mobs are who massively out number cops and can surround them both armed and extremely dangerous and they demonstrate that by first beating any cop who dares to fight back.

If you are Trumps secret service or the police protecting Congress members you CANNOT allow a mob to get that much control of you and your weapons by marching to surround you. that is the weapon they have and it is very real.

So no security (not Trumps SS or Congess') CAN or WILL allow the mob that type of control, where Trump or Congress members are then subject only to the mobs decision as to what to do with them.

Ashley dies only as a result of her poor decision making. Asking Trumps SS or Congress security to just let them have their way would be stupid and would NEVER happen.

That's incorrect... The Officer did not have to shoot her.... Why didn't he just grab her and cuff her as she was coming through the window...She had nothing in her hands...

 

[QP!]

We have also treated often violent protesters with kid gloves.

We have to stop the idea that citizens can mistreat authorities and flaunt the law. It isn't an illegal order for a police officer to ask or tell you to get out of a vehicle once they've made a traffic stop. It is pushing your luck to taunt the officer or argue with them about it.

For decades it has been a big thing in the redneck south for poorer white southerners, who often identify as some form of sovereign citizen, to film cops stopping them on the street or for DWP (driving while poor) to do basic ID and other checks (vehicle, body search, etc) under the thinnest of excuses.

A lot of them actually know the law better than the cops (and you) and they stand their ground, demand a police supervisor be sent to the site, while refusing to provide ID or compliance, and then when a Supervisor does finally attend they are often allowed to leave without complying.

That is because, these guy know what you do not Terry. Citizens in the US can "mistreat authorities" who are "flouting the law" by claiming they have powers they do not and acting as if simply being a cop or authority allows them to defy the law and Constitution and demand compliance in dictatorial ways.

What you call "pushing your luck" is actually 'defending the law and Constitution' and if citizens never do it, in the face of cop over reach then cops gain that new power, that breaks the Constitution, by default.

 

[LurchAddams]

You see @T. A. Gardner is an expert on police procedure. Terry repeatedly is out for Byrds blood for shooting a rioter because he left the scene.

But poor little Terry failed to point out shooting at a moving vehicle like Ross did is also improper police procedure.

Terry gets rock hard when Democrats are assassinated, but has a nude photo of trumps body with Babbit's face photoshoped over it that he jerks it to nightly!

 

[QP!]

That's incorrect... The Officer did not have to shoot her.... Why didn't he just grab her and cuff her as she was coming through the window...She had nothing in her hands...

That is easily answered.

Why did all the hundreds of cops beaten and hospitalized not just grab and arrest the people who assaulted them and broke the laws?

are you NOW trying to claim the mob, beating cops were all armed or do you admit a mob with 'nothing in their hands' is also a deadly threat, and only their restraint determines how badly the beaten cop will end up in hospital or a morgue?

Ashley was a part of this same violent mob and leading their push into new areas getting closer to their target Congress people

 

[Matt Dillon]

There is evidence of the wife saying this is all my fault... Pretty much... A terrible tragedy and I hope people are paying attention....

You would have gotten out of the car.... Most people would have.. She wasn't stressed... just keep smiling and get out of the car with your hands up... If you get arrested You'll be out in an hour and you can deal with particulars in court.... If the wife hadn't leaned in and said drive baby drive we wouldn't be having any of these conversations...

She should be criminally charged for that, imho.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You'd think that would be a clue to sit there very still, maybe even turn off the engine, put your hands up and tell the cops you're complying... After all, we know she was looking at the one with the gun out. When things get that serious, the last thing you want to do is give the cops any--ANY--reason to shoot you.

How do we KNOW that?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

For decades it has been a big thing in the redneck south for poorer white southerners, who often identify as some form of sovereign citizen, to film cops stopping them on the street of for DWP (driving while poor) to do basic ID and other checks (vehicle, body search, etc) under the thinnest of excuses.

A lot of them actually know the law better than the cops (and you) and they stand their ground, demand a police supervisor be sent to the site, while refusing to provide ID or compliance, and then when a Supervisor does finally attend they are often allowed to leave without complying.

Actually, they're a bunch of really retarded morons. Their videos in court are hilarious. They usually get thumped one way or another for resisting arrest and arguing with police when stopped.

That is because, these guy know what you do not Terry. Citizens in the US can "mistreat authorities" who are "flouting the law" by claiming they have powers they do not and acting as if simply being a cop or authority allows them to defy the law and Constitution and demand compliance in dictatorial ways.

What you call "pushing your luck" is actually 'defending the law and Constitution' and if citizens never do it, in the face of cop over reach then cops gain that new power, that breaks the Constitution, by default.

They think they can be their own nation, make their own laws, all the while still living in the US and getting the benefits of that. They want it both ways. That is, they want stuff like "free" money and social services, but they also don't want to be told what to do or how to behave in the slightest degree.

They push their luck every time they step out the front door.

 

[BartenderElite]

We have also treated often violent protesters with kid gloves.

We have to stop the idea that citizens can mistreat authorities and flaunt the law. It isn't an illegal order for a police officer to ask or tell you to get out of a vehicle once they've made a traffic stop. It is pushing your luck to taunt the officer or argue with them about it.

Is the bolded consistent with how you felt about what happened on J6?

 

[Matt Dillon]

First. They can stop or detain people who are obstructing their duties. In this case the car was already stopped but it is the same. They were detaining her. During any detention they can ask you to exit your vehicle, ruling is Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 434 U.S. 106 (1977), the ruling was later extended to include passengers as well. They can order you and your passengers to exit the vehicle lawfully. I recommend doing so if they order it, because resisting never works well after that point.

Please understand, this isn't about whether I support ICE or the other side. I just want folks to be able to exercise their rights safely. All of them.

Well, they're rioting now, so...
Big Daddy T gonna invoke The Insurrection Act. Watch.
Trump 2.0 is not messing around.
They will get a huge chunk of that network this time.
Funders, enablers, logistics, communications.
Gonna get busted.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You start rammin' cops, it's a good way to get dead. Just about everywhere.
I say her "partner" is an accessory to her death, too. I'd be checkin' if she had a life insurance policy.
You don't tell your partner to amp up when cops are moving to arrest them with guns drawn.
You calm them down and tell them to comply and don't fight the police.

Their guns were not drawn at the time she figured she would be better off getting out of there than complying.

People like you who are causing this kind of shit.

 

[Ross Dolan]

We have also treated often violent protesters with kid gloves.

We have to stop the idea that citizens can mistreat authorities and flaunt the law. It isn't an illegal order for a police officer to ask or tell you to get out of a vehicle once they've made a traffic stop. It is pushing your luck to taunt the officer or argue with them about it.

MAGA morons should not be giving lectures on when or whether to "flaunt the law." MAGA morons are the nation's leading law flaunters...starting with their Fuhrer.

 

[Ross Dolan]

She should be criminally charged for that, imho.

Your opinion on this is horse shit, Matt.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Well, they're rioting now, so...
Big Daddy T gonna invoke The Insurrection Act. Watch.
Trump 2.0 is not messing around.
They will get a huge chunk of that network this time.
Funders, enablers, logistics, communications.
Gonna get busted.

Yup. Your Fuhrer may succeed in becoming dicktator.

People like you are going to regret having helped that to happen,

 

[TOP]

That is easily answered.

Why did all the hundreds of cops beaten and hospitalized not just grab and arrest the people who assaulted them and broke the laws?

are you NOW trying to claim the mob, beating cops were all armed or do you admit a mob with 'nothing in their hands' is also a deadly threat, and only their restraint determines how badly the beaten cop will end up in hospital or a morgue?

Ashley was a part of this same violent mob and leading their push into new areas getting closer to their target Congress people

No one was beating him....

 

[QP!]

Actually, they're a bunch of really retarded morons. Their videos in court are hilarious. They usually get thumped one way or another for resisting arrest and arguing with police when stopped.

They think they can be their own nation, make their own laws, all the while still living in the US and getting the benefits of that. They want it both ways. That is, they want stuff like "free" money and social services, but they also don't want to be told what to do or how to behave in the slightest degree.

They push their luck every time they step out the front door.

there are a ton of morons too who also do not know the law. It happens both ways.

So is this where i post videos of the ones where Supervisors show up and let the person go, as they are correct? Are you going to deny those instances exist, where the cops are wrong and doing over reach, rightly resisted by the citizen?

 

[Matt Dillon]

That is easily answered.

Why did all the hundreds of cops beaten and hospitalized not just grab and arrest the people who assaulted them and broke the laws?

are you NOW trying to claim the mob, beating cops were all armed or do you admit a mob with 'nothing in their hands' is also a deadly threat, and only their restraint determines how badly the beaten cop will end up in hospital or a morgue?

Ashley was a part of this same violent mob and leading their push into new areas getting closer to their target Congress people

^Pure fabrication.

 

[Monad Portal]

AMEN to both of those posts.

I understand what Damo is saying...and probably last week I would have agreed with him totally on what to do...but after watching that video and assessing the conduct of the ICVE guy...I now disagree with him and agree with you two.

they keep showing the wrong angle.

the shooter was not the guy at the passenger door.