This discussion is about how to fix it not what the status quo is so why don't you just shut the fuck up if you can't grasp that?
I don't like anchor babies. This is how I would fix it.
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We didn’t have an open border back then but in retrospect , he was wrong, no doubt.
Those days are gone. (Hopefully)
T. A. Gardner
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Maybe you should actually read the document.
14th Amendment section1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Persons here illegally are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US beyond criminal code. Persons here temporarily are the in the same position.
For example, if someone here temporarily either legally or illegally were to be arrested, they could contact their nation's embassy for help. If someone here from Mexico, legally or illegally, goes to their embassy here they can get a matricula consular ID card showing they are a citizen of Mexico.
So, this is clearly open to interpretation, and it is possible that the Supreme Court will come down with a ruling that such temporary and illegal persons in the US are not covered and any children they have while in the US are not citizens.
What part of it you do not understand? Don't be afraid to ask.
Of course those born in the US are citizens and subject to the laws.
Your hypothetical scenarios do not change what it says. Don't like it? Ask the Congress to make another amendment.
Joe doesn't understand the Constitution because he's just another angry old MAGA moron.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
No, not true. If the parents are not subject to all the laws of the US, then the child isn't either. Children are wards of their parents. I also say that the laws of the US do not favor criminals or reward them for breaking the law. Giving citizenship to a child whose parents are here illegally does just that.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
So, you are in favor of rewarding people for breaking the law are you?
Note that it doesn't specify which babies? It says ALL.
Straw man fallacy.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Note, you are rewarding criminals for their crimes.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
No, it isn't. If the parents are here illegally, they are breaking the law in engaged in a criminal act. If those parents have a child, then that child was born as part of their criminal activity.
What crimes? You are attempting an argument that is a straw man. We're talking about babies being born here in America.
Where is that exception in the Constitution?
Especially as America commits the worse war crimes imaginable, and brags about..its too late but now would be a great time for fools to attempt to focus.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Illegal immigration is a fucking crime! Getting a visa under false pretenses is a crime too.
If you don't like it, talk to the Congress. See if you can convince them to add an amendment.
Yes. What does that have to do with the babies being born here in America?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
People specifically come to the US illegally to drop a kid. That is, they are committing a crime in order to have a child that is granted citizenship. That is the payoff, reward, for their crime and you want to hand it to them.