US inches closer to change in how presidential elections are counted

T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, it does. Two groups in the US that practice this are the Amish and Mormons. Government is a crutch. It lets people by lazy. Your argument is that personal charity doesn't work as well in the presence of government charity. Well, without an example to show what happens in a relatively affluent nation where there isn't a lot of government charity you've got no argument.
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Wait a minute, Amish, you want the US to adopt a collective society, in the 21st Century? And we are going to institute tithing to aid the less fortunate?

And the last half of the 19th Century provides a perfect example of what happens
 
archives said:
Wait a minute, Amish, you want the US to adopt a collective society, in the 21st Century? And we are going to institute tithing to aid the less fortunate?

And the last half of the 19th Century provides a perfect example of what happens
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You are clearly retarded. I gave two examples of religious groups that practice charity heavily within their group. Both eschew government assistance and prefer to use group charity instead.

What I'm arguing is that when government becomes the source of charity--and welfare is a form of charity--the system becomes one of forced participation and that those having to give (pay taxes) start to figure out ways to avoid paying. On top of that, individual giving stops outside of the forced system. Europe with their next to nil charitable giving shows this trend clearly.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You are clearly retarded. I gave two examples of religious groups that practice charity heavily within their group. Both eschew government assistance and prefer to use group charity instead.

What I'm arguing is that when government becomes the source of charity--and welfare is a form of charity--the system becomes one of forced participation and that those having to give (pay taxes) start to figure out ways to avoid paying. On top of that, individual giving stops outside of the forced system. Europe with their next to nil charitable giving shows this trend clearly.
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Yeah, for the reason I give you, and you are using them as examples?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, it does. Two groups in the US that practice this are the Amish and Mormons.
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EXCELLENT observation! Both groups are well know for their charity! Others are the Shriners, various lodges such as the Free Masons, quite a few corporations organizing charitable contributions, foundations set up by various rich people, etc.

Who helped the people of Lahaina, HI after the fire destroyed a third of the town? It wasn't the federal government!
It was primarily the Mormons, hotel corporations providing charitable housing for displaced residents, etc. It was Hawaiians helping other Hawaiians.

And the town is being rebuilt by themselves and people are moving into their restored housing again.

Lahaina is recovering.


Who helped the people of Northern Carolina after flooding destoyed access to many towns? Private charity. Mormons and Amish showed up and literally rebuilt those towns and access to them and provided for the needs of those people suddenly isolated.

T. A. Gardner said:
Government is a crutch. It lets people by lazy.
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It's worse than that! Government pays for this 'charity' by making you pay by force for it (taxes, inflation, high debt). That isn't charity. It's communism.
T. A. Gardner said:
Your argument is that personal charity doesn't work as well in the presence of government charity. Well, without an example to show what happens in a relatively affluent nation where there isn't a lot of government charity you've got no argument.
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Government isn't charity. Charity is the voluntary support of someone in need. It is completely voluntary.

Government TAKES from you by force (taxes, inflation, and high debt), takes a heavy cut for itself, and dribbles what's left to the so-called 'needy' (the lazy, the rioters and looters and those who support them, illegal aliens (which are criminals), and racism. That is NOT charity. That is communism, and enslavement. This is what Democrats call 'charity', to try to whitewash what they are and what they are doing.

Is charity more effective than government? It sure is!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You are clearly retarded. I gave two examples of religious groups that practice charity heavily within their group. Both eschew government assistance and prefer to use group charity instead.

What I'm arguing is that when government becomes the source of charity--and welfare is a form of charity--the system becomes one of forced participation and that those having to give (pay taxes) start to figure out ways to avoid paying. On top of that, individual giving stops outside of the forced system. Europe with their next to nil charitable giving shows this trend clearly.
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You will find that both Mormons and Amish provide charity outside their own groups as well. They do it because they want to, not because they have to.
 
archives said:
So I guess we should forget the Judo-Christian ethics our country is founded upon, send them all out into the streets, even the large percentage of children receiving assistance, their all morons anyways

Cheaters are everywhere, as we’ve seen, even the super rich manipulate the system, but the solution is reforming, not eliminating

Depends on who or what defines stupid
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Judo-Christian...

I know you meant Judeo-Christian... but that brought me a very funny image...

Our friendly neighborhood Judo-Christian preparing for Prayer...

Onward Judo Warriors marching on to war!...

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Damocles said:
Judo-Christian...

I know you meant Judeo-Christian... but that brought me a very funny image...
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Probably right out of the Moonraker movie, where Bond is wandering through what looks like a monastery, but it's a training center for the British.
Damocles said:
Our friendly neighborhood Judo-Christian preparing for Prayer...

Onward Judo Warriors marching on to war!...

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Heh. Don't interrupt his prayer!
 
archives said:
Wait a minute, Amish, you want the US to adopt a collective society, in the 21st Century? And we are going to institute tithing to aid the less fortunate?
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The U.S. doesn't have to adopt anything, anchovies. The Amish help out with charity because the want to, not because they have to.
archives said:
And the last half of the 19th Century provides a perfect example of what happens
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Void argument fallacy. What 'example' are you referring to, anchovies?
 
Hume said:
“I think this is a very straightforward, long-term plan to get us to a point where the United States is frankly what most people think it is, which is a place where every person’s vote counts the same as every other person’s vote,” Virginia Governor Abigail Spanberger said after signing legislation to add the state to the National Popular Vote Compact.

“Unfortunately, that is not the case when it comes to presidential elections, where by virtue of having the Electoral College, depending on the state you live in, your vote does count differently.”

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Say Comrade - why did California, a signatory to the "National Popular Vote" not put all of our EC votes to Donald Trump when he won the popular vote in 2024?

Oh right, because you Commie fucks are disgusting hypocrites and frauds...
 
Hume said:
Electoral College was designed to prevent popular election of the President. We have arrived as a nation to prefer democracy to aristocracy.
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You support disenfranchising all states save California, Texas, New York, and Florida.

Depriving the right to vote for president from 46 less populous states.

But authoritarian dictatorship has long been the goal of the shameful democrats.
 
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