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Why should anyone pay any attention to you, Owl?
This is part of why you don't get attention, Owl.
The melting pot will be fed, you will never end America
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MAGAT is not a word, Owl. You are describing yourself again.
The Great Depression began due to overspeculation in stocks, when people taking out loans to buy stock.
When stocks generally went down in a self correcting recover to real prices, those that took out those loans lost everything.
The setup for this overspeculation was caused by policies from Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat. The actual crash started during Hoover's administration. His response was the correct one: Let the market and loans unwind and self correct.
FDR returned to Wilson's policies and added to them, deepening and lengthening the Depression. The dollar was devalued by 100%. Gold was made 'illegal' and was seized (stolen). That's when Fort Knox was built, to house the stolen gold. FDR replaced the currency with a fiat 'dollar', and 'backed it' by this stolen gold.
Further, WW2 exacerbated the Depression by converting to an economy built around constructing stuff to get blown up in a war.
The result was the Great Depression lasting well into the 50's. It was Pres. Eisenhower that finally ended the Great Depression, by winning a destructive war and in improving the roads, and letting the economy recover from the war.
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2001? Taalk about a classic fail.
I'm glad you dissed 2018. All of JPP is with me when I hope this means you'll FINALLY stop obsessing over Goodreads, and that sad day in 2018 when you doxed yourself here. Can we hope?
The crash of 2001 was set up by the Clinton administration. By allowing terrorism to expand largely unchecked, the end result was the World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 6 being destroyed in a terrorist raid, which also destroyed four passenger jets.
Bush Jr's response was FAA Status Zero, which grounded all air traffic suddenly. The resulting loss of revenue over that short time did not cause a depression, but it did cause a short loss of economic activity which lasted less than a year.
The next economic depression was caused by overspeculation in housing (the flipper crash) where people were taking out massive balloon loans to flip houses. When the housing market inevitably corrected, these extremely risky loans fell apart.
Obama converted this downturn into a full scale economic depression that lasted nine years, by preventing the market from self correcting, and interfering with additional markets through fascism. The fiat dollar lost 52% of it's value during that depression.
Trump managed to end that depression, which extended a full year into his administration. This was done by nullifying the worst parts of Obama's oppressive regulations. The damage caused by Obama was done for certain markets, however, and those markets are still not fully recovered.
The next economic depression after that was started by Democrats using the Covid Hoax, in an effort to ruin Trump's success. This Hoax was later used in a massive expansion of Democrat election fraud which resulted in the 2020 election fault, the first time in the history of the United States. No President was elected.
During this depression, Joe Biden was installed as a defacto 'leader' (it was really just Obama again running this puppet), and the economic depression lasted 6 years.
Trump has also brought an end to that depression, by re-establishing a republican form of government, and shutting down organized crime and terrorism funded by Democrats. Trump also removed or severely reduced wasteful and oppressive government bureaucracies, and produced an economic environment favorable to domestic production.
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Quick verdict
| Claim (shortened) | Verdict | Reality in one line |
|---|---|---|
| Clinton “set up” the 2001 crash via terrorism | False | 2001 downturn was dot‑com + 9/11 shock, not a Clinton plot. |
| Bush’s flight grounding caused a brief “depression” | Misleading | 9/11 hurt activity, but GDP still grew in 2001 and recovered quickly. |
| Housing “flipper crash” caused the next depression | Half‑true, mislabeled | Housing/finance caused the 2007–09 recession, not a 9‑year depression. |
| Obama turned it into a 9‑year depression; dollar lost 52% | False | Recession ended mid‑2009; then a long, slow expansion with modest inflation. |
| Trump “ended” that depression | False | He inherited an expansion already running since 2009. |
| COVID was a Democrat “hoax” to crash economy | False | COVID‑19 is a real global pandemic; the 2020 recession was worldwide, not a party op. |
| 2020 election = massive fraud; “no President was elected” | False | Results were certified; dozens of lawsuits failed; Biden was constitutionally elected. |
| Biden “installed”; 6‑year depression; Trump ended it by restoring government | False | No recognized 6‑year U.S. depression; this is narrative, not macro data. |
What actually happened, in plain English
1. 2001: recession + 9/11, not a Clinton op
- Economic backdrop: The U.S. was already in a mild recession after the dot‑com bubble burst; 9/11 hit a weak economy, it didn’t create the weakness from scratch.
- 9/11 impact size: Forecasts suggest 9/11 shaved about 0.5 percentage points off 2001 real GDP growth and nudged unemployment up—not a multi‑year collapse.
- Recovery: Despite the shock, U.S. GDP in 2001 still ended higher than 2000 and then rebounded, which is the opposite of a sustained depression.
2. Bush’s FAA ground stop
- Yes: Flights were grounded and travel‑related sectors took a heavy hit.
- No: That short‑term ground stop is not what economists call a “depression”; the macro hit was sharp but limited, and the broader economy recovered relatively quickly.
3. Housing crash and the Great Recession
- Correct core: The next big downturn was driven by a housing bubble, risky mortgages, and a financial crisis.
- But: Officially, this is the Great Recession, lasting December 2007–June 2009, not a 9‑year depression.
4. Obama years: “fascism,” 9‑year depression, 52% dollar loss
- Timing: Obama took office in January 2009, when the recession was already more than a year old; the NBER‑dated recession ended in mid‑2009.
- After that: The economy grew—slowly but steadily—for years: GDP rose, unemployment fell from 10% in 2009 to well below that, and markets recovered.
- Dollar claim: A 52% collapse in the dollar’s value over that period is not supported by inflation or exchange‑rate data; it’s just invented.
5. Trump “ending” depressions
- First supposed depression: There was no ongoing depression left for Trump to “end” in 2017; he stepped into an expansion that had been running since 2009.
- Second supposed depression (COVID): The 2020 downturn was a short, brutal recession caused by a real pandemic and global shutdowns, not a partisan hoax.
6. COVID and the 2020 election
- COVID reality: SARS‑CoV‑2 is a well‑documented virus; millions of deaths are recorded across independent health systems worldwide. Calling it a “hoax” ignores every line of medical and epidemiological evidence.
- Election fraud narrative: Courts (including many Trump‑appointed judges), state officials from both parties, recounts, and audits all failed to find fraud on a scale that could change the 2020 result. The election was certified in every state, and Biden was inaugurated under the normal constitutional process.
Bias profile of the post
- Hyper‑partisan: Democrats are cast as terrorists, fascists, and criminals; Republicans (specifically Trump) are cast as saviors.
- Conspiratorial: 9/11 “set up,” COVID “hoax,” “installed” president—these are classic conspiracy tropes that replace evidence with motive‑painting.
- Abuse of economic terms: “Depression” is used as a vibe word; official data show a 2001 recession, a 2007–09 recession, and a short 2020 recession—not serial multi‑year depressions.
- Overconfident, under‑sourced: The tone is mocking and certain, but collapses as soon as you check basic timelines, NBER dates, or macro indicators.
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Substituting your brain for AI is always a bad idea, Zombie.
Do you grasp that "melting pot" means "assimilation?" It doesn't mean invasion and occupation as the left does with illegal immigration.
You hate America and are trying to destroy the Constitutional Republic, Ahmed.
You detest our culture and our values.