What is it with the 'car driving' analogy and dems?

Crashk said:
Interesting story and very close to many family stories, even mine. The only thing I and my family can disagree with is this...
"He hated the unions since they made the bad workers hard to get rid of and the good ones hard to keep."

The union protects workers. The union does not hire workers. The company hires workers. If the company hires lazy workers the union has to protect them, but only for so long. A friend of mine was fired from the steel mill for being lazy and getting 3 pink slips over a 3 month period. The union warned him after 2 that one more and they couldn't protect his job.

Both of my grandfathers worked in the coal mines in W.Va. from the 19teens to the 1950's. They were economic slaves paid in company script. There's a lot of stupid in W.Va. but not them, they were intelligent, hard working people and one was a college grad and an electrician. They both were here...

http://www.glendale.edu/chaparral/apr05/blair.htm

They continued to fight for fair wages until FDR made it a reality. Once unionized they WORKED their way out of slavery and in the 50's and 60' went from poverty to the middle class. One grandfather died of black lung. The other lived to the ripe old age of 92. I spent a lot of time with him and one of his favorite stories was the Battle of Blair Mt. My father worked for only 3 companies in his entire life. As a proud union member he saved his money and started his own trucking company in the late 60's. He knew he wanted to start a trucking co. years before and taught me and other kids in the hood to drive when our legs were long enough to reach the gas. I joined the teamsters and drove blacktop for him for 5+yrs. I guess my point is, without a level field and protection from your corporate masters my family would still be in poverty.
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No, unions make it difficult to fire a slacker. For a brief time I was a State employee and was forced to join a union, and they gave me nothing. In fact their rules made it very difficult for me, an achiever, to rise through the ranks, which is why I quit. One fellow that was hired when I was sat on his ass and literally did nothing, yet got the same periodic raises that I was entitled to, and due to union rules it took them three years to get rid of him.

I'm not saying that unions haven't done any good, as they have. They have simply out-lived their usefulness. All States should be Right to Work so the unions have to compete for workers just like companies do.
 
Crashk said:
Interesting story and very close to many family stories, even mine. The only thing I and my family can disagree with is this...
"He hated the unions since they made the bad workers hard to get rid of and the good ones hard to keep."

The union protects workers. The union does not hire workers. The company hires workers. If the company hires lazy workers the union has to protect them, but only for so long. A friend of mine was fired from the steel mill for being lazy and getting 3 pink slips over a 3 month period. The union warned him after 2 that one more and they couldn't protect his job.

Both of my grandfathers worked in the coal mines in W.Va. from the 19teens to the 1950's. They were economic slaves paid in company script. There's a lot of stupid in W.Va. but not them, they were intelligent, hard working people and one was a college grad and an electrician. They both were here...

http://www.glendale.edu/chaparral/apr05/blair.htm

They continued to fight for fair wages until FDR made it a reality. Once unionized they WORKED their way out of slavery and in the 50's and 60' went from poverty to the middle class. One grandfather died of black lung. The other lived to the ripe old age of 92. I spent a lot of time with him and one of his favorite stories was the Battle of Blair Mt. My father worked for only 3 companies in his entire life. As a proud union member he saved his money and started his own trucking company in the late 60's. He knew he wanted to start a trucking co. years before and taught me and other kids in the hood to drive when our legs were long enough to reach the gas. I joined the teamsters and drove blacktop for him for 5+yrs. I guess my point is, without a level field and protection from your corporate masters my family would still be in poverty.
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Yep. I heard stories like this also, in my family. Before unions one of my ancestors worked in the steel mill and lost a leg in an industrial accident, and he didn't get diddly for it. I believe they paid to have him fitted with a prosthesis but that was the end of his working days in the mill and there was no settlement or damages paid, it was all about keeping Mr. Carnegie and his wealthy cronies raking in the bucks on the backs of immigrants.
 
Superfreak said:
still just as delusional as Dung I see.
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I think DH is probably the best debater on the board. Maybe I’m missing someone, but I can’t think of anyone. Comparing him to Dixie is a Damo-like false equivalence. And Damo is the nuclear option of false equivalences. So, it’s pretty bad SF. :(
 
DamnYankee
Right to Work is actually Right to Slave. All at-will employment does is drive down wages which is at the core of cheap labor Republicon philosophy. I understand that small companies must make a profit but what I don't understand is your constant support of the party that has worked to destroy small business. When Hannity talks about Obama being anti-business he's really talking about multinational corps in India and China and Russia, not your business. Your business in one way or another is probably in direct competition with large multinational backed businesses, guess who's going to lose, even if you can hire employees for a couple of bucks a day. I think it all boils down to trickle down vs trickle up. If people on the bottom have money to spend it builds a strong local economy and that trickles up to other communities. Trickle down does build jobs... in communist countries and Asia, not America. When Limbaugh talks about 'us' he's talking about the people (Bush's Base) who are profiting from outsourcing.
 
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christiefan915 said:
Yep. I heard stories like this also, in my family. Before unions one of my ancestors worked in the steel mill and lost a leg in an industrial accident, and he didn't get diddly for it. I believe they paid to have him fitted with a prosthesis but that was the end of his working days in the mill and there was no settlement or damages paid, it was all about keeping Mr. Carnegie and his wealthy cronies raking in the bucks on the backs of immigrants.
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So many 'conservatives' don't know where they came from and the battles their grandfathers fought to work their way out of the same economic slavery that the cheap-labor Republicons want to put us into again.
 
Crashk said:
DamnYankee
Right to Work is actually Right to Slave. All at-will employment does is drive down wages which is at the core of cheap labor Republicon philosophy. I understand that small companies must make a profit but what I don't understand is your constant support of the party that has worked to destroy small business. When Hannity talks about Obama being anti-business he's really talking about multinational corps in India and China and Russia, not your business. Your business in one way or another is probably in direct competition with large multinational backed businesses, guess who's going to lose, even if you can hire employees for a couple of bucks a day. I think it all boils down to trickle down vs trickle up. If people on the bottom have money to spend it builds a strong local economy and that trickles up to other communities. Trickle down does build jobs... in communist countries and Asia, not America. When Limbaugh talks about 'us' he's talking about the people (Bush's Base) who are profiting from outsourcing.
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Actually "Right To Work" is exactly what it says, that you have a right to work without some union forcing you to pay them a percentage.

"My Party" is the Conservative Party. On occasion the GOP sides with us, and almost never does the Democrat Party. Even Reagan the most conservative Republican of my lifetime, had the frustrating habit of choosing the least conservative of several choices.

As a Conservative I support a flat, fair, simple federal income tax system where everyone pays the same percentage and a chosen few don't get tax write-offs. I also support zero taxes on corporations because their employees have already paid taxes- no one should be taxed twice because again, everyone should pay the same percentage. I also support real campaign finance reform where everyone who pays taxes should be able to contribute, say, $2000 per year, and every contribution over $1 must be traceable back to the individual taxpayer.

What parts of these policies do you have a problem with?
 
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