Disaster

Onceler said:
Same thing here. This post seems all angry & frantic, like you're desperate.

Maybe it's just me, but I hold Presidents to a much higher standard than Mayors; especially when everyone - including Bush - was saying for years what a great & decisive leader he was.

Do you think Nagin's legacy is glowing? His name will forever be tied to poor response & bad decision-making during that crisis. But people will think of Bush and his incredibly bad leadership much, much more. Because, ya know - he was President, and not a local mayor.....
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my lord you're a partisan hack. you "conveniently" leave out the dem governor and focus on the mayor. see how dishonest you are?

it has NOTHING to do with holding to a higher responsibility or standard. it has to do with your responsibility and standard at your STATION in government. the president is NOT responsible for every little thing that happens in the US as you would have us believe. the other states did not go on a full blame bush assault. its hilarious that you claim mayors and governors have less of responsibility to do their jobs because their held to a lessor standard.

that is biggest bullshit dumped on this board in a long time. congrats little hack.
 
Yurt said:
LOL...threedee pwned you and destroyed your point and you don't even realize it, in fact, you thank him for it

lmao
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That was a big part of my point, Yurtsie; guess you missed it.

People are going to think President, not Mayor. You keep calling locals like Nagin "MY" liberal leaders. Nagin wasn't my mayor; I didn't know who he was before Katrina. But Bush was my Prez.

It's just about the equivalent of you whining that all I talk about is Bush, but I won't bring up the cop on Bourbon St. who was a little slow to react.

LOL
 
Yurt said:
you're hopeless....we've had this conversation before, i listed mistakes and you ran away
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No, you really didn't. You may have listed things that are beyond the control of the president, or things a president doesn't have the authority to do.. you may have criticized some choices Bush made, but you have failed to give me one solid thing that Bush "did wrong" with Katrina.

Here Yurt, let me help you with this.... Bush didn't kiss Liberal ass enough! Because of this, the liberals found fault with literally everything the man did. You, not wanting to be seen as a partisan, have drank the koolaid and conceded Bush MUST have done something wrong, why else would all the libs be angry? But when it comes down to actually pointing out specifics, you can't seem to come up with those.... we should just KNOW that Bush fucked up, because that is what we were told everyday for months on end!
 
Onceler said:
It's also not historically accurate. Say "Katrina" for the next 100 years, and who do people think of...Nagin, or Bush?

Too bad for you Bushies....
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That is inaccurate. Nagin had every bit as much culpability as Bush. Just because the media lambasted Bush and harped on Bush and pounded Bush non-stop doesn't change that fact.

Bush is a national figure, Nagin was not... another reason Bush is more closely associated with Katrina in the minds of the majority of people.

But if you wish to talk historical accuracy, Nagin was a complete failure. The people of NO could have been evacuated. Some chose to stay. Some were left stranded that could have been bused out. There was also a supreme failure by the governor in her communication with Brown and FEMA.

but you are correct in stating that Bush will be the one remembered for his failures, one of which was appointing Brown. Few will remember Nagin, even fewer will remember the gov.
 
Onceler said:
A bit premature on that. If the economy keeps getting better, Obama will get credit, and his Presidency will be judged a success at least on that level.

Not much good happened under Bush. He squandered a budget surplus, exploded our debt, rushed us into an unnecessary war that lasted 7 years, botched catastrophes like Katrina, and in general diminished America's reputation around the world. He was a poor leader, and will likely go down as one of our worst Presidents...
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THERE WAS NO SURPLUS.... don't be one of those incompetent party hacks that continues to spout that nonsense.
 
Superfreak said:
That is inaccurate. Nagin had every bit as much culpability as Bush. Just because the media lambasted Bush and harped on Bush and pounded Bush non-stop doesn't change that fact.

Bush is a national figure, Nagin was not... another reason Bush is more closely associated with Katrina in the minds of the majority of people.

But if you wish to talk historical accuracy, Nagin was a complete failure. The people of NO could have been evacuated. Some chose to stay. Some were left stranded that could have been bused out. There was also a supreme failure by the governor in her communication with Brown and FEMA.

but you are correct in stating that Bush will be the one remembered for his failures, one of which was appointing Brown. Few will remember Nagin, even fewer will remember the gov.
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That's actually the point I was making. I am not here to argue that Nagin wasn't a complete failure; he was.
 
Superfreak said:
THERE WAS NO SURPLUS.... don't be one of those incompetent party hacks that continues to spout that nonsense.
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How about "he squandered the small headway we had made toward fiscal responsibility & balanced budgets?"

Better?

We had made progress in the late '90's; the Bush admin abandoned that, and even Cheney said deficit spending doesn't matter....
 
Onceler said:
How about "he squandered the small headway we had made toward fiscal responsibility & balanced budgets?"

Better?

We had made progress in the late '90's; the Bush admin abandoned that, and even Cheney said deficit spending doesn't matter....
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On that I would agree. He was fiscally irresponsible.... especially the last two years where he and the Dem led congress couldn't spend fast enough.

But if you want to talk 'explosion of debt'... that occurred when the Dems got all three Houses under their leadership. In fairness the first year had to happen... but 2010 and forward is unacceptable and most definitely unsustainable (as you have also mentioned)
 
Superfreak said:
Well then... you made it poorly. But not to worry, it is expected from 'your side'.
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If you read back from the beginning of the thread - not that you should - I actually made the point pretty well. I was responding directly to Dixie's portrayal of Bush as a victim, and as being not accountable. That's why I brought up Bush, and said he was rightly criticized for his failures.

It was only because Yurtsie jumped in w/ his usual "what about the libs?" routine that Nagin came up....
 
Lowaicue said:
Interesting, don't you agree, to compare the reaction of the Japanese to their multiple disaster, with the New Orleansians (I have no idea what they are called) and their reaction to Katrina.

The Americans whined, bitched and moaned and, from what we saw on TV, could or would do nothing to help themselves.

The Japanese, you know, those little yellow people that you bombed in the war and who are stealing your jobs and who can't speak English, meanwhile, are getting on with the job of boiling water, not letting society crumble, looking after each other.

You'd think, wouldn't you, that with their exposure to the great American way, they would run around like headless chickens blaming anyone and everyone else just as the Americans did.

Methinks the wonderful yanks might learn a thing or two from the little people in the orient.
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The difference is that the Japanese believe in personal responsibility and the people of New Orleans were overwhelmingly Democrats...
 
Oh my goodness Yurt... I think I found a possible MISTAKE Bush made with Katrina!

After FEMAs initial assessment, they realized thousands were left homeless... shelters were overcrowded... So BUSH ordered dozens of train loads of mobile homes to be sent to the region, so the people would at least have a roof over their heads....... Those mobile homes are still sitting, strapped to the rail cars, because New Orleans city ordinances do not allow mobile homes inside the city limits.
 
Dixie said:
Oh my goodness Yurt... I think I found a possible MISTAKE Bush made with Katrina!

After FEMAs initial assessment, they realized thousands were left homeless... shelters were overcrowded... So BUSH ordered dozens of train loads of mobile homes to be sent to the region, so the people would at least have a roof over their heads....... Those mobile homes are still sitting, strapped to the rail cars, because New Orleans city ordinances do not allow mobile homes inside the city limits.
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hiring brownie was not mistake? saying brownie is doing a heck of a job was not a mistake? the flyover picture was not a mistake?
 
Onceler said:
That's actually the point I was making. I am not here to argue that Nagin wasn't a complete failure; he was.
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bullshit, that is not the point you made...now you're furiously back peddling after get called out by myself and others....you clearly stated bush had MORE responsibility because he the president. amazing how you try and weasel your way out when you get busted.
 
Yurt said:
bullshit, that is not the point you made...now you're furiously back peddling after get called out by myself and others....you clearly stated bush had MORE responsibility because he the president. amazing how you try and weasel your way out when you get busted.
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More Yurtsie reading issues.

Go back & read the post I was responding to from Dixie. Man, you really dig the holes for yourself when you go all knee-jerk....
 
Onceler said:
That was a big part of my point, Yurtsie; guess you missed it.

People are going to think President, not Mayor. You keep calling locals like Nagin "MY" liberal leaders. Nagin wasn't my mayor; I didn't know who he was before Katrina. But Bush was my Prez.

It's just about the equivalent of you whining that all I talk about is Bush, but I won't bring up the cop on Bourbon St. who was a little slow to react.

LOL
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threedee was right on, basically showing you what an idiot you are for saying bush is more responsible because the american people will remember the president more than a mayor....eg, great way to measure the level of failure dumbass.

all one has to do when they look at your posts is see how much you blame bush and how little, if at all many times, you blame the mayor or the GOVERNOR (which you AGAIN just "conveniently" didn't include the governonr a state.)

when it was the oil spill, it was all you could do to defend obama....never did we hear how obama as president has MORE responsibility than the governor or the corporation, no, it was quite the opposite. once again, you prove you're partisan hack.
 
Onceler said:
More Yurtsie reading issues.

Go back & read the post I was responding to from Dixie. Man, you really dig the holes for yourself when you go all knee-jerk....
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yep, and here we are....everytime onceler gets busted its --> you can't read!!!!!

i read what you said and you're now furiously back peddling. you claimed bush, as president, is held to a higher standard, thus he has more responsibility. others understood your words to mean exactly that....so your usual "you can't read!!!!!" schtick fails once again. SF called you out on the same thing....are you going to yell he can't read as well?
 
Poor Yurtsie.

Read Dixie's initial post again, Yurtsie. It was all about Bush the victim & not taking accountability for Bush. That's why I said Bush was rightfully criticized (which, interestingly, you seem to agree with in later posts).

And that's when you came in for the umpteenth time with your stomping around about why "we lefties" don't take Nagin & the locals to task as well. It's so predictable, and incredibily hackish. Too bad for you that Dixie's post was about Bush, and my response was about Bush.
 
Lowaicue said:
Interesting, don't you agree, to compare the reaction of the Japanese to their multiple disaster, with the New Orleansians (I have no idea what they are called) and their reaction to Katrina.

The Americans whined, bitched and moaned and, from what we saw on TV, could or would do nothing to help themselves.

The Japanese, you know, those little yellow people that you bombed in the war and who are stealing your jobs and who can't speak English, meanwhile, are getting on with the job of boiling water, not letting society crumble, looking after each other.

You'd think, wouldn't you, that with their exposure to the great American way, they would run around like headless chickens blaming anyone and everyone else just as the Americans did.

Methinks the wonderful yanks might learn a thing or two from the little people in the orient.
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You are such a nasty piece. You were on Aol at the time siding up with those media darlings that wished only to portray the Bush administration as being at fault...now you wish to blame the victims (those screaming panicing ones) that the media used to garner angst against Bush. Make-up your demented mind dude.
 
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