Underground Website Lets You Buy Any Drug Imaginable

Lowaicue said:
Of all the posts, of all the rubbish, of all the flaming posts ... THIS post and poster should be banned.
The website is breaking the law and in many countries (I dont know about the US) the poster is breaking the law.
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I don't know where you would break the law by linking to some other person's article.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
but you will still vote for him again, will you not?
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Yes I will. There is NO alternative. The Republican party wants to kill every liberal policy created and I suspect they would kill liberals if they could get away with it. Mark my words, if the Republicans ever get firm control of government, there WILL be a body count.
 
Return of Dune said:
Sorry pal but that is not the thoughtful response I have come to expect from you.

The war on drugs is an unbearably expensive failure, imprisoning some men for 20 years for possession of a partial weed fag. Disproportionately, these men are black and fathers. this is just one sliver of the tentacles of this unjust war which benefits none justly. At this time our legislators are and represent oligarchy, not the will of and what is best for the people.

Your veiw of this is as simplistic as Dixie's general political outlook.
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I quite understand that some laws are bad. I also understand, perhaps better than many, that the rule of law, the upholding of the democratically formulated and past proven laws is essential for the continuance of civilisation.
It is the rule of law that prevents your government from taking a world famous artist, for example, and locking him up with no known charge. It is the rule of law which attracts foreign revenue to the US. I do not accept that the citizens of a civilised society can simply cherry pick the laws they wish to obey.
There are innocent men and women locked up in most civilised countries. It is usually that the law has been insufficient or inefficiently applied for the correct judgement to be made. That is not a reason to disregard it. I don't know about America but here and in the UK, where a sentence is mistakenly handed down, the law in all its forms, its strengths and its weaknesses, is held under minute scrutiny. It will never be perfect but it is the best we have and it should be regarded as sacrosanct.
Simplistic? Yes, as it must be.
There seems to be a feeling here this evening that, 'Hey, they can't do that to me!' Well, they can and they do and it is right that there should be times when society over rules the individual. BTW from a selfish viewpoint I have also disobeyed what I thought to be wrong or unfair legislation. That also does not make it right.
 
Bfgrn said:
Yes I will. There is NO alternative. The Republican party wants to kill every liberal policy created and I suspect they would kill liberals if they could get away with it. Mark my words, if the Republicans ever get firm control of government, there WILL be a body count.
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And conservatives have been saying the exact same thing about Liberal control. The real difference seems to be that when Liberals actually had firm control of the government, there was a body count in a place called Waco.

By maintaining your stance on lesser of two evils, you still beget evil.
 
I do see a major problem though. All it will take is one DEA agent using the site as a seller to bust a ton of people. Shoot they could set up a few accounts and carefully list a bunch of positive comments to pull still more people in to the web.

"Exactly as advertised, beautiful shrooms tasted great. Well-packaged and sent quickly..." so on...
 
Lowaicue said:
I quite understand that some laws are bad. I also understand, perhaps better than many, that the rule of law, the upholding of the democratically formulated and past proven laws is essential for the continuance of civilisation.
It is the rule of law that prevents your government from taking a world famous artist, for example, and locking him up with no known charge. It is the rule of law which attracts foreign revenue to the US. I do not accept that the citizens of a civilised society can simply cherry pick the laws they wish to obey.
There are innocent men and women locked up in most civilised countries. It is usually that the law has been insufficient or inefficiently applied for the correct judgement to be made. That is not a reason to disregard it. I don't know about America but here and in the UK, where a sentence is mistakenly handed down, the law in all its forms, its strengths and its weaknesses, is held under minute scrutiny. It will never be perfect but it is the best we have and it should be regarded as sacrosanct.
Simplistic? Yes, as it must be.
There seems to be a feeling here this evening that, 'Hey, they can't do that to me!' Well, they can and they do and it is right that there should be times when society over rules the individual. BTW from a selfish viewpoint I have also disobeyed what I thought to be wrong or unfair legislation. That also does not make it right.
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That all sounds good, but doesn't address the hundreds of thousands of humans locked away in inhuman conditions derived of being parents of their children and productive taxpayers in our society, but instead a massive burden on the rest of the taxpayers and all for the sole purpose of corporate welfare to a privatised prison system. Your comments are irelevant and out of line considering the heinous suffering caused by this "war", which is actualy a matter of policy much more so than law.
 
Damocles said:
I do see a major problem though. All it will take is one DEA agent using the site as a seller to bust a ton of people. Shoot they could set up a few accounts and carefully list a bunch of positive comments to pull still more people in to the web.

"Exactly as advertised, beautiful shrooms tasted great. Well-packaged and sent quickly..." so on...
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It is likely nothing more than a DEA sting anyway, which makes Lowiacues comments all the more incredulous.
 
Bfgrn said:
What I am most disappointed with Obama about is his non-liberal views on the draconian drug laws.
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I disagree. Under Obama legalisation has accelerated by leaps and bounds. Possession of an ounce of weed is now not an arrestable offence in my state. In many states now, medical clinics grow and dispense pot under doctors supervision, without fear of federal interference. This is entirely due to Obama.

One can not expect abrupt course correction from the ship of state. Incremental improvement should not be ignored. My disapointments with Obama lay soundly with his management of stimulus funds, prosecution of war efforts in the middle east, extention of BushII tax cuts and inaction on civil rights issues.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
And conservatives have been saying the exact same thing about Liberal control. The real difference seems to be that when Liberals actually had firm control of the government, there was a body count in a place called Waco.

By maintaining your stance on lesser of two evils, you still beget evil.
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WOW, talk about ignorance. Every law that protects the common man, woman and child has been written by liberals, supported by liberals and opposed by conservatives. You have become a one issue idiot. You cling to your liberals want to take my guns paranoia and are blind to the real threats to your liberty. You should see a psychiatrist. It has overcome all logic and reason.
 
Return of Dune said:
That all sounds good, but doesn't address the hundreds of thousands of humans locked away in inhuman conditions derived of being parents of their children and productive taxpayers in our society, but instead a massive burden on the rest of the taxpayers and all for the sole purpose of corporate welfare to a privatised prison system. Your comments are irelevant and out of line considering the heinous suffering caused by this "war", which is actualy a matter of policy much more so than law.
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Well, there are wars and wars. Does it not tell you something that the supposed leaders of the 'free world' should have such a problem with drugs that it has become an all out war? (Yes, yes, I know it is not unique to the uS.)
The conditions in which someone is locked away has absolutely nothing to do with drugs only in as much that drugs is such a huge problem in America that your system is inadequate.
My comments certainly are not irrelevant. Throughout this discussion I have studiousy kept to my contention that it was wrong for that website to be given publicity and that respect for the law is of paramount importance.
Drugs, the use and possession and selling of, are at present illegal. No one has suggested separating the sale and possession of marijuana from the term, only that the law regarding drugs is wrong. Fine. We might agree on that. But it is the law. No one has bothered to answer my points concerning the value of law, there is just a suggestion that citizens of the USA have the right to ignore/disobey a law with which they disagree.
I really feel for a society that is so dependent for its pleasure upon the ingestion of chemicals while at the same time protecting the rights of pregnant women and panicking over various nasties that enter the US from China, UK, or Germany. I do not know what the answer to your problem is, it may well be that the injection of drugs, cut with talc or abrasive cleaner into various parts of the body, is what the free people of America want, but somehow I doubt it.
 
Lowaicue said:
Well, there are wars and wars. Does it not tell you something that the supposed leaders of the 'free world' should have such a problem with drugs that it has become an all out war? (Yes, yes, I know it is not unique to the uS.)
The conditions in which someone is locked away has absolutely nothing to do with drugs only in as much that drugs is such a huge problem in America that your system is inadequate.
My comments certainly are not irrelevant. Throughout this discussion I have studiousy kept to my contention that it was wrong for that website to be given publicity and that respect for the law is of paramount importance.
Drugs, the use and possession and selling of, are at present illegal. No one has suggested separating the sale and possession of marijuana from the term, only that the law regarding drugs is wrong. Fine. We might agree on that. But it is the law. No one has bothered to answer my points concerning the value of law, there is just a suggestion that citizens of the USA have the right to ignore/disobey a law with which they disagree.
I really feel for a society that is so dependent for its pleasure upon the ingestion of chemicals while at the same time protecting the rights of pregnant women and panicking over various nasties that enter the US from China, UK, or Germany. I do not know what the answer to your problem is, it may well be that the injection of drugs, cut with talc or abrasive cleaner into various parts of the body, is what the free people of America want, but somehow I doubt it.
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A man in jail for 20 years for a bit of weed is the same as a man in jail for stealing a loaf of bread. An unjust law is an unfit law. What part of Mahatma Gandi do you not understand?
 
Return of Dune said:
A man in jail for 20 years for a bit of weed is the same as a man in jail for stealing a loaf of bread. An unjust law is an unfit law. What part of Mahatma Gandi do you not understand?
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I think you are confusing the 'law' with the sentence. If I as a judge handed down a sentence of two weeks in prison for first degree murder would you say the law was wrong or the sentence?
 
Bfgrn said:
WOW, talk about ignorance. Every law that protects the common man, woman and child has been written by liberals, supported by liberals and opposed by conservatives. You have become a one issue idiot. You cling to your liberals want to take my guns paranoia and are blind to the real threats to your liberty. You should see a psychiatrist. It has overcome all logic and reason.
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pot, kettle, black.

you're one seriously deluded individual about liberal laws. All of your liberal laws protecting individual freedom and the common man only do one thing, and that's restrict the rights of individuals in the name of the common good. THAT is not protecting the rights of common man. Talk about needing to see a psychiatrist, that would be you.
 
Lowaicue said:
Well, there are wars and wars. Does it not tell you something that the supposed leaders of the 'free world' should have such a problem with drugs that it has become an all out war? (Yes, yes, I know it is not unique to the uS.)
The conditions in which someone is locked away has absolutely nothing to do with drugs only in as much that drugs is such a huge problem in America that your system is inadequate.
My comments certainly are not irrelevant. Throughout this discussion I have studiousy kept to my contention that it was wrong for that website to be given publicity and that respect for the law is of paramount importance.
Drugs, the use and possession and selling of, are at present illegal. No one has suggested separating the sale and possession of marijuana from the term, only that the law regarding drugs is wrong. Fine. We might agree on that. But it is the law. No one has bothered to answer my points concerning the value of law, there is just a suggestion that citizens of the USA have the right to ignore/disobey a law with which they disagree.
I really feel for a society that is so dependent for its pleasure upon the ingestion of chemicals while at the same time protecting the rights of pregnant women and panicking over various nasties that enter the US from China, UK, or Germany. I do not know what the answer to your problem is, it may well be that the injection of drugs, cut with talc or abrasive cleaner into various parts of the body, is what the free people of America want, but somehow I doubt it.
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Let's not forget drugs for medication: marijuana to counteract nausea due to chemotherapy and opiates to relieve pain, just to name two examples. Does an individual not have a right to relieve their suffering?

Reminds me when I required pain medication after a devastating auto accident. One day I point blank stated to my doctor, "Surely they don't offer extra strength Tylenol to a patient who, for example, has suffered an amputation! What medication do they give patients in constant pain?"

He referred me to a pain specialist and within 15 minutes of walking into his office I received narcotics. Two hours later my pain had dramatically decreased.

After having received anti-inflammatories, anti-seizure meds (even though I never had a seizure pain relief was a supposed side effect of the drugs), tranquilizers, steroid shots, chiropractor visits and acupuncture they finally offered something that worked. Had I been aware of narcotics and their pain-relieving qualities during that time I might well have tried to procure them on my own.

The funny thing is my doctor worked for the insurance company that was evaluating me for damages. When I asked him to be my doctor he explained he would have to recuse himself from my case, which was natural. I signed the necessary papers realizing he had experience with pain cases and would recognize I was legitimate.

Later, he also told me checks are made on doctors who prescribe such medication and I may be "approached".

Many people, today, needlessly suffer and that's a crime!

One final note. It's frequently stated "drug addicts" always require increased doses of a drug as time passes. That is patent nonsense. If that was the case a person smoking a pack of cigarettes a day at 25 years of age would be smoking a carton a day at 50! HA!

While some drugs may offer no benefits, many do. If a person finds peace smoking a joint or making a special mushroom gravy my motto is, "Better living through chemistry."

Many people suffer today because of arcane drug laws and some doctors refuse to prescribe proper medication. While I see your point concerning disobeying laws in the case of suffering I side with the law-breaker.
 
Lowaicue said:
I think you are confusing the 'law' with the sentence. If I as a judge handed down a sentence of two weeks in prison for first degree murder would you say the law was wrong or the sentence?
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No! Absolutely not. If the law against weed did not exist, those men would not be in prison. The marine last week would still be alive. Children would have fathers to raise them and provide finacial support. Tax coffers would be full, beds in prisons would be empty, organised crime would have less capitol.

The law cannot be looked at as; it is the law, right or wrong. A burdensome law, unfair to citizens must be challenged by any and all means.
 
Bfgrn said:
WOW, talk about ignorance. Every law that protects the common man, woman and child has been written by liberals, supported by liberals and opposed by conservatives. You have become a one issue idiot. You cling to your liberals want to take my guns paranoia and are blind to the real threats to your liberty. You should see a psychiatrist. It has overcome all logic and reason.
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this post does in fact demonstrate an ignorance of history.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
this post does in fact demonstrate an ignorance of history.....
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OK, enlighten me. Give me a list of the laws and legislation by Republicans that protects the common man, woman and child? Then, give me a list of advocacy groups that lobbies and works to protect the common man, woman and child?

I'll be waiting.........................................................
 
SmarterThanYou said:
pot, kettle, black.

you're one seriously deluded individual about liberal laws. All of your liberal laws protecting individual freedom and the common man only do one thing, and that's restrict the rights of individuals in the name of the common good. THAT is not protecting the rights of common man. Talk about needing to see a psychiatrist, that would be you.
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Protecting the public good is who and what our founding fathers were. They were not libertarians, they were the antithesis of Ayn Rand self centered egoism.

"What is true of every member of the society, individually, is true of them all collectively; since the rights of the whole can be no more than the sum of the rights of the individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:455, Papers 15:393
 
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