Turns out Obama was right!

Eye said:
illegal? cite which law he broke.
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The United Nations Charter is the foundation of modern international law.[9] The UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the US and its principal coalition allies in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which are therefore legally bound by its terms. Article 2(4) of the UN Charter generally bans the use of force by states except when carefully circumscribed conditions are met, stating:

All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. [10]

This rule was "enshrined in the United Nations Charter in 1945 for a good reason: to prevent states from using force as they felt so inclined", said Louise Doswald-Beck, Secretary-General International Commission of Jurists.[11]

Therefore, in the absence of an armed attack against the US or the coalition members, any legal use of force, or any legal threat of the use of force, had to be supported by a UN security Council resolution authorizing member states to use force against Iraq.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War
 
christiefan915 said:
The United Nations Charter is the foundation of modern international law.[9] The UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the US and its principal coalition allies in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which are therefore legally bound by its terms. Article 2(4) of the UN Charter generally bans the use of force by states except when carefully circumscribed conditions are met, stating:

All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. [10]

This rule was "enshrined in the United Nations Charter in 1945 for a good reason: to prevent states from using force as they felt so inclined", said Louise Doswald-Beck, Secretary-General International Commission of Jurists.[11]

Therefore, in the absence of an armed attack against the US or the coalition members, any legal use of force, or any legal threat of the use of force, had to be supported by a UN security Council resolution authorizing member states to use force against Iraq.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War
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thank you for your wiki cite....but i still fail to see what law he broke.
 
Darla said:
I guess I'm probably the one one who clicked on youtube and watched that whole video. God that song is so stupid. I was laughing for the first half of it, but then it started pissing me off.
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Hey! That's a beautiful song. One is supposed to stand by their partner.

"You'll have bad times and he'll have good times doing things you don't understand. But if you love him you'll forgive him even though he's hard to understand....Be proud of him....give him something warm to come to..."

I know when the Mrs is doing things I don't understand, like cleaning the house on a Saturday afternoon when it looks clean enough to me, I forgive her and offer her something warm when she's done. :)
 
Eye said:
thank you for your wiki cite....but i still fail to see what law he broke.
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We were legally bound by the terms of a treaty we ratified. Did you actually read and absorb the content?

Read the articles referenced by the superscripts. Wiki summarized them.
 
Estimates of deaths in Iraq due to UN sanctions

A short listing of estimates follows:

November 26, 1997: UNICEF reports that "The most alarming results are those on malnutrition, with 32 per cent of children under the age of five, some 960,000 children, chronically malnourished-a rise of 72 per cent since 1991.
* Unicef: 500,000 children (including sanctions, collateral effects of war). "[As of 1999] children under 5 years of age are dying at more than twice the rate they were ten years ago."
* U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq Denis Halliday: "Two hundred thirty-nine thousand children 5 years old and under" as of 1998.
* "probably ... 170,000 children", Project on Defense Alternatives, "The Wages of War", 20. October 2003
* 350,000 excess deaths among children "even using conservative estimates"
* "Richard Garfield, a Columbia University nursing professor ... cited the figures 345,000-530,000 for the entire 1990-2002 period" for sanctions-related excess deaths.
* Zaidi, S. and Fawzi, M. C. S., (1995) The Lancet British medical journal: 567,000 children. A co-author (Zaidi) did a follow-up study in 1996, finding "much lower ... mortality rates ... for unknown reasons."
* Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark: 1.5 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning).
* British Member of Parliament George Galloway: "a million Iraqis, most of them children."
* Iraqi Baathist government: 1.5 million.
* Iraqi Cultural Minister Hammadi: 1.7 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning)

I would guess Christiefan considers these deaths of mostly children due to sanctions in Iraq are acceptable because a Democrat was president during this time.....

Between 1991 and 2000 there were 44 Resolutions involving Iraq....before Bush....
 
bravo said:
Estimates of deaths in Iraq due to UN sanctions

A short listing of estimates follows:

November 26, 1997: UNICEF reports that "The most alarming results are those on malnutrition, with 32 per cent of children under the age of five, some 960,000 children, chronically malnourished-a rise of 72 per cent since 1991.
* Unicef: 500,000 children (including sanctions, collateral effects of war). "[As of 1999] children under 5 years of age are dying at more than twice the rate they were ten years ago."
* U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq Denis Halliday: "Two hundred thirty-nine thousand children 5 years old and under" as of 1998.
* "probably ... 170,000 children", Project on Defense Alternatives, "The Wages of War", 20. October 2003
* 350,000 excess deaths among children "even using conservative estimates"
* "Richard Garfield, a Columbia University nursing professor ... cited the figures 345,000-530,000 for the entire 1990-2002 period" for sanctions-related excess deaths.
* Zaidi, S. and Fawzi, M. C. S., (1995) The Lancet British medical journal: 567,000 children. A co-author (Zaidi) did a follow-up study in 1996, finding "much lower ... mortality rates ... for unknown reasons."
* Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark: 1.5 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning).
* British Member of Parliament George Galloway: "a million Iraqis, most of them children."
* Iraqi Baathist government: 1.5 million.
* Iraqi Cultural Minister Hammadi: 1.7 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning)

I would guess Christiefan considers these deaths of mostly children due to sanctions in Iraq are acceptable because a Democrat was president during this time.....

Between 1991 and 2000 there were 44 Resolutions involving Iraq....before Bush....
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What the hell does this have to do with bombing the shit out of Iraq?

You're an idiot.
 
christiefan915 said:
What the hell does this have to do with bombing the shit out of Iraq?

You're an idiot.
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It shows you're a hypocrite. If you care about civilian deaths, there is a lot more going on before Bush. Besides that, most of the civilians killed in Iraq were by Islamist terrorists during during the war.

Your hatred for Bush is noted, but don't use lies. Stick to the facts instead of emotional hateful partisan rhetoric.
 
bravo said:
Estimates of deaths in Iraq due to UN sanctions

A short listing of estimates follows:

November 26, 1997: UNICEF reports that "The most alarming results are those on malnutrition, with 32 per cent of children under the age of five, some 960,000 children, chronically malnourished-a rise of 72 per cent since 1991.
* Unicef: 500,000 children (including sanctions, collateral effects of war). "[As of 1999] children under 5 years of age are dying at more than twice the rate they were ten years ago."
* U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq Denis Halliday: "Two hundred thirty-nine thousand children 5 years old and under" as of 1998.
* "probably ... 170,000 children", Project on Defense Alternatives, "The Wages of War", 20. October 2003
* 350,000 excess deaths among children "even using conservative estimates"
* "Richard Garfield, a Columbia University nursing professor ... cited the figures 345,000-530,000 for the entire 1990-2002 period" for sanctions-related excess deaths.
* Zaidi, S. and Fawzi, M. C. S., (1995) The Lancet British medical journal: 567,000 children. A co-author (Zaidi) did a follow-up study in 1996, finding "much lower ... mortality rates ... for unknown reasons."
* Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark: 1.5 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning).
* British Member of Parliament George Galloway: "a million Iraqis, most of them children."
* Iraqi Baathist government: 1.5 million.
* Iraqi Cultural Minister Hammadi: 1.7 million (includes sanctions, bombs and other weapons, depleted uranium poisoning)

I would guess Christiefan considers these deaths of mostly children due to sanctions in Iraq are acceptable because a Democrat was president during this time.....

Between 1991 and 2000 there were 44 Resolutions involving Iraq....before Bush....
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Luckily bombs and UXO are full of vital nutrients.
 
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