Sheriff: Ohio man cleaning gun killed Amish girl

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Sheriff: Ohio man cleaning gun killed Amish girl

Tuesday, December 20, 2011

A rightwing gun nut cleaning his muzzle-loading rifle shot the gun into the air, accidentally killing a 15-year-old Amish girl driving a horse-drawn buggy more than a mile away, a sheriff said Tuesday.

Rachel Yoder was shot in the head Thursday night while traveling to her home in Wayne County, between Columbus and Akron. She had attended a Christmas party for employees, most of them under 18 years old, at an Amish produce farm and was riding home alone when she was shot, Wayne County sheriff's Capt. Douglas Hunter said.

The horse continued to cart the girl after she was shot, and she fell out of the buggy near her home, Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zimmerly said. Her brother found her after he saw the horse walking in circles and went to check it. Authorities initially believed she had fallen out of the buggy and hit her head until a hospital test revealed the gunshot wound.

Hunter said his department traced a trail of blood along the road for about three-eighths of a mile into Holmes County in an area of farms and rolling hills.

Zimmerly said the gun-cleaner's family came forward and his neighbors reported hearing a shot at about the time the girl was wounded.

The man had fired the gun in the air about 1.5 miles from where Yoder was shot, Zimmerly said. State investigators were checking the rifle for a ballistics match, he said.

"In all probability, it looks like an accidental shooting," Zimmerly said.

No charges have been filed.

Yoder was born in nearby Mount Eaton and attended the Old Order Amish Church, The (Wooster) Daily Record reported. She is survived by her father, 10 brothers and sisters, 26 nieces and nephews and two grandparents.

Hunter said earlier there was no indication the shooting was related to a rash of beard-cutting attacks against Amish men in a feud over church discipline.

Still, the mystery of the shooting in the wake of the beard-cutting attacks had left the Amish shaken and "on pins and needles," Zimmerly said.

Zimmerly said he informed the Yoder family that the shooting appeared to be accidental.

"Obviously, that makes them feel a lot better than if someone might have been targeting the Amish or (if it was) a random shooting murder," he said.

Gun violence in Amish communities is rare but not unheard of. A man shot 10 schoolgirls, killing five, inside a one-room schoolhouse five years ago in Nickel Mines, Pa. The Amish were praised for their forgiveness after the shooting and reaching out to comfort the gunman's widow.
 
considering the effective ranges of a muzzle loading rifle and that ballistics on a smooth bore muzzle loader is going to be completely useless, this story sounds like a load of horeseshit. I seriously doubt that this ball went 1.5 miles. there's something about this story that doesn't compute.

http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/long_range_muzzleloading.htm


after looking at the charts in the link i agree that 1.5 miles is way to far for a muzzle loaded gun or rifle

i detect a falseness to this tale

now a modern 22 caliber in a match rifle can go 1.5 miles and kill
 
:palm:

A rightwing gun nut
cleaning his muzzle-loading rifle shot the gun into the air, accidentally killing a 15-year-old Amish girl


How do you know?? It could have been another Obama organizer like the ones that killed this little girl and her uncle.

Two Obama organizers are in custody facing charges in connection with the murders of a seven year old girl and her uncle.

Police were extremely aggressive with this investigation and over the weekend they served multiple search warrants. Their first major break in the case came early Sunday morning when 22-year-old Michael Bell Junior surrendered to police.

Later in the morning, the SWAT team surrounded a home in an east side apartment complex where they took 25-year-old Jeremy Priel into custody. Neighbor Victoria Knox witnessed the incident."I woke up and there was the SWAT team in the front and the SWAT team in the back. I don't know what happened they just arrested him and took him off," said Knox.

Both of the arrests came on the same day the family laid 7-year-old Kyleigh and 21-year-old Jeremy Crane to rest. The family is both relieved and hurt by the news.

Bell was described as being a close family friend of the Cranes and had grown up with Jeremy. Neighbors are also expressing relief at the arrests and say they pray for some peace for the family. In addition to both arrests, investigators also recovered a weapon, a handgun they believe Bell had stolen the day before the murders.


Michael Bell (left) and Jeremy Priel (right)



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http://www.wthr.com/story/16348084/suspect-arrested-in-cumberland-double-homicide-case
 
considering the effective ranges of a muzzle loading rifle and that ballistics on a smooth bore muzzle loader is going to be completely useless, this story sounds like a load of horeseshit. I seriously doubt that this ball went 1.5 miles. there's something about this story that doesn't compute.

http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/long_range_muzzleloading.htm
I owned muzzle loaders for many years and have been a former member of the Shawnee long rifle club and I've never known one person, not one, who owned a smooth bore muzzle loader that wasn't a shot gun. Muskets are just about useless for hunting. I seriously doubt that it was a smooth bore. More then likely it was a Pennsylvania Long Rifle or a Hawkins Carbine and by god that's a round that can go a mile. Particulary if shot up in the air.
 
I owned muzzle loaders for many years and have been a former member of the Shawnee long rifle club and I've never known one person, not one, who owned a smooth bore muzzle loader that wasn't a shot gun. Muskets are just about useless for hunting. I seriously doubt that it was a smooth bore. More then likely it was a Pennsylvania Long Rifle or a Hawkins Carbine and by god that's a round that can go a mile. Particulary if shot up in the air.

Very true, Mott. Especially the modern muzzleloaders.
 
I owned muzzle loaders for many years and have been a former member of the Shawnee long rifle club and I've never known one person, not one, who owned a smooth bore muzzle loader that wasn't a shot gun. Muskets are just about useless for hunting. I seriously doubt that it was a smooth bore. More then likely it was a Pennsylvania Long Rifle or a Hawkins Carbine and by god that's a round that can go a mile. Particulary if shot up in the air.

ok, but could it go 1.5 miles?
 
ok, but could it go 1.5 miles?
If the angle of elevation is significantly above 45 degrees hell yes. If you fire a gun, level to the ground, that fires a bullet with a low muzzle velocity say 1,000 ft/s, that bullet is only going to travel forward for about a 1/4 of a second before the force of gravity pulls it to the earth. So it would travel about 250 to 300 ft before striking the ground. So to hit something 100 yars away you woud have to aim at a trajectory above the level to compensate for the force gravity would have on the bullet. So in other words if you take two rifles and fire one o to 10 degrees from the horizontel it would not travel nearly as far the one fired at a 45 to 75 degree angle from the horizontal.

It was a careless dumb ass stunt the guy did and it cost a young woman her life. You never test first a rifle into the air like that. You fire it into a back stop or into the ground or into a tree, what ever you have that will safely stop the bullet, but you never fire it up into the air for this exact reason. You have no idea where the bullet may come down and it could hit someone and kill them. People who have this cavalier attitude about gun safety really piss me off.
 
You'll have to find someone better at the math, but how high and at what angle would it need to go to make it 1.5 miles?
A 45 degree angle from the horizontal would achieve the greatest distance for a given muzzle volicity at standard atmospheric conditions. More then likely this clown fired his rifle between a 45 and 75 degree angle and a bullet fired at that trajectory would travel a hell of a lot farther then one fired at 0 to 10 degrees from the horizontal.
 
A 45 degree angle from the horizontal would achieve the greatest distance for a given muzzle volicity at standard atmospheric conditions. More then likely this clown fired his rifle between a 45 and 75 degree angle and a bullet fired at that trajectory would travel a hell of a lot farther then one fired at 0 to 10 degrees from the horizontal.

i gotta ask, to achieve this distance what's the muzzle velocity on these things?
 
To get the velocity you'd have to know the powder charge and bullet weight, neither of which are listed. The powder charge is toughest since the man determines that.

When I used to hunt with a muzzleloader I would empty it by shooting it into the ground, damn sure not into the air.
 
To get the velocity you'd have to know the powder charge and bullet weight, neither of which are listed. The powder charge is toughest since the man determines that.

When I used to hunt with a muzzleloader I would empty it by shooting it into the ground, damn sure not into the air.
That's what I usually did. I've always been taught to never discharge a gun into the air (unless you're firing a shotgun as a duck or some other kind of bird). That doint so was wreckless and unsafe.
 
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