Sheriff: Ohio man cleaning gun killed Amish girl

The Dude said:
Oh the whittle klan cow tipper is mad.
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hardly. I find it amusing that you flip flop just like alias. you just seem to be caught between guns and pot. hating on the po po about the drug war, but licking up all the drops about government officials comments, ballistics experts, and guns are bad. maybe we should tell you which way is up?
 
All these responses from Toppin and not a single shred of evidence to back up his claim. For someone who majored in accounting, you think he could do the math with the numbers I provided. But nope, he'd rather sit back andthink that he's right, because he said so. He believes cops when it comes to guns, but when it comes to pot they don't know anything.
 
Question: One day, as a teen, I was sitting in a field with a friend. We'd walked a long way through fields and decided to take a rest. I heard a shot or two and assumed some hunters were around. Then I heard a "buzz" sound, sort of like a fly quickly passing by my ear. I turned around and saw someone standing in the neighboring field far enough away I couldn't make out any features, just a figure. My question is how close would the bullet have been to my head to enable me to hear it go by? Anyone have any idea? I was told less than 6 inches.
 
apple0154 said:
Question: One day, as a teen, I was sitting in a field with a friend. We'd walked a long way through fields and decided to take a rest. I heard a shot or two and assumed some hunters were around. Then I heard a "buzz" sound, sort of like a fly quickly passing by my ear. I turned around and saw someone standing in the neighboring field far enough away I couldn't make out any features, just a figure. My question is how close would the bullet have been to my head to enable me to hear it go by? Anyone have any idea? I was told less than 6 inches.
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depends on the speed of the round. fast enough and you could hear it whiz by at about 20 feet away. and if it was wobbling through the air, maybe further.
 
Here is my question. It is very easy to check if a muzzle loader is loaded. All you do is drop the rod in, if it doesn't go all the way down you know it is loaded. How could he be cleaning it (which would involve using the rod) and not notice it was loaded?

This sounds more like a guy who shot his gun into the air recklessly than it does somebody who accidentally shot his gun while cleaning it...
 
DamnYankee said:
Its reacting to gravity as soon as it leaves the muzzle. Shot on a horizontal path, a projectile will hit the ground at the same time that a similar object dropped from the same height hits the ground.
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I wasn't trying to imply that it didn't.
Are you just looking for something to argue about; just because I don't hold to your outdated views on gay marriage?
 
Damocles said:
Here is my question. It is very easy to check if a muzzle loader is loaded. All you do is drop the rod in, if it doesn't go all the way down you know it is loaded. How could he be cleaning it (which would involve using the rod) and not notice it was loaded?

This sounds more like a guy who shot his gun into the air recklessly than it does somebody who accidentally shot his gun while cleaning it...
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A ball and charge can be mechanicaly removed from a muzzle loader before cleaning...it is simply faster and easier to discharge the weapon instead. Either way, the gun must be unloaded before cleaning can commence.

I have had this same argument with my son repeatedly.

IIRC, terminal velocity is 130 mph. Therefore regardless of the angle of inclination, a ounce round lead ball going 130 MPH is freaking deadly.

As to the perpetrator, at a minimum, he should be indicted for manslaughter, and sued in civil court as well. No way the dumbass should walk away from this.
 
Damocles said:
Here is my question. It is very easy to check if a muzzle loader is loaded. All you do is drop the rod in, if it doesn't go all the way down you know it is loaded. How could he be cleaning it (which would involve using the rod) and not notice it was loaded?

This sounds more like a guy who shot his gun into the air recklessly than it does somebody who accidentally shot his gun while cleaning it...
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There using "cleaning" in a very general sense Damo. He shot off the round to clear it/clean it from the muzzle. That wasn't an accident. The fact that the bullet came back to earth and struck a girl in the head and killed her was an accident. A damned careless verging on criminal wrecklessness accident.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
There using "cleaning" in a very general sense Damo. He shot off the round to clear it/clean it from the muzzle. That wasn't an accident. The fact that the bullet came back to earth and struck a girl in the head and killed her was an accident. A damned careless verging on criminal wrecklessness accident.
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Don't they have hills in Ohio? Why not shoot it into the side of a hill?
 
DamnYankee said:
Don't they have hills in Ohio? Why not shoot it into the side of a hill?
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I hear ya man. It's common class 101 muzzle loader safety. When your done hunting you clear the chamber by discarging it into the ground or into a backstop. You never, ever, ever under any circumstances discharge it into the air.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I hear ya man. It's common class 101 muzzle loader safety. When your done hunting you clear the chamber by discarging it into the ground or into a backstop. You never, ever, ever under any circumstances discharge it into the air.
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No kidding. When we do our annual 4th of July shootout with our redneck friends here, shooting every gun that we own at least a chamber full, we always shoot into the hill. Ye hah!
 
Return of Dune said:
A ball and charge can be mechanicaly removed from a muzzle loader before cleaning...it is simply faster and easier to discharge the weapon instead. Either way, the gun must be unloaded before cleaning can commence.

I have had this same argument with my son repeatedly.

IIRC, terminal velocity is 130 mph. Therefore regardless of the angle of inclination, a ounce round lead ball going 130 MPH is freaking deadly.

As to the perpetrator, at a minimum, he should be indicted for manslaughter, and sued in civil court as well. No way the dumbass should walk away from this.
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The issue isn't terminal velocity, its whether or not said projectile could travel that large of a distance.
 
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