Bfgrn
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Link?
You are digging yourself a hole, but you're too stupid to know it. Do you know anything about government bids?
Walkers Plan continues to work.
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You are digging yourself a hole, but you're too stupid to know it. Do you know anything about government bids?
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The Almighty
LMAO... no hole dipshit... as I stated, it is the WEA trust website. Sorry that was too far beyond your skills to look up. I know Google is filtered for you and will only take you to moveon.moron and huff post.
http://www.weatrust.com/AboutWEATru...ticleId/26/Districts-Save-with-the-Trust.aspx
Yes, I know about government bids. Do you? do you think it simply coincidence that the very first year they were allowed to put it up for bid that WEA suddenly found $3mm to lower their bid? Just coincidence right?
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The Almighty
Also can't help but notice that you STILL can't dispute any of the numbers listed in the OP article. Why is that Cypress, I mean Bfgrn???
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One last thing, I am quite disappointed. The above was not finished off with a quote from someone you thought would make you appear more 'intelligent'? Did smartquote.com go offline for a bit? Unable to access it? Or did you just think we all thought so highly of you that you could quit posting quotes?
Bfgrn
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OK, explain how a government bid works, from start to finish.
Bfgrn
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I really don't care what a piece of shit like you thinks. You have never shown an ounce of any human qualities that would be considered civil or that you care at all about the truth, or that you care about fellow citizens.
What is going on in Wisconsin is a crime. Walker has put women and children on his hit list. You and Walker are cut from the same mold...scum.
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OK... from start to finish, explain how the government bid works. Go.
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The Almighty
So in other words, you aren't going to provide more quotes?
Just moving on to ad hom attacks?
If you don't care what I think, WHY do you keep responding to my posts?
Are you retarded Cypress?
Are you EVER going to debate the actual FACTS? Or are you just going to sit here stomping your feet like a petulant little child saying 'they the evilz'?
You are quite pathetic.
Bfgrn
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So, you can't explain how the government bid process works, I didn't think you could.
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The Almighty
LMAO... so you couldn't either?
Or is it that you just dont wish to type all that out?
you are a fucking idiot. Nice try. Your attempts to divert the topic have failed. You KNOW it is a FACT that Appleton alone saved the $3mm because WEA finally had competition. Then suddenly WEA found that they could CUT health care insurance costs by $3mm... at a time that health care costs are still rising. Just how much has WEA been overcharging tax payers?
Can't answer any of that can you?
Same old Cypress.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Yea his plan to balance the budget on the backs of people who can't afford it while still giving tax breaks to his wealthy supporters who don't need them is working so well that over a 1 million people in Wisconsin have signed a petition to recall his ass.
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LMAO... wow, a union stooge couldn't have chanted that better. GOOD PARROT!!!
1) So you would prefer the private sector tax payers continue paying for the public sectors workers health care and pensions? I mean, why should public employees have to contribute... that is just like evil and stuff.
2) Walker's plans have saved the jobs of how many public employees now?
3) The savings from WEA trust did not come from the backs of the people, it came from money the UNION was obviously over charging the people. It REDUCED the burden to the people. A point you union parrots refuse to acknowledge.
4) There are over 350k union workers in WI. So no, it is not hard to see that they were able to get a million + signatures to WASTE the tax payers money on a recall. Not because the governor did anything even remotely illegal, but just because they didn't like it. Great precedent. How much is that going to add to the burden on those people that can't afford it Mutt?
5) Has the situation in WI improved or declined since the Walker reforms? From what I have seen, one article after another highlights the SAVINGS the school districts are seeing. Or the JOBS that the union stooges said would be lost... HAVEN'T been lost. Funny how that works.
But let me guess, like Cypress, you are going to ignore all the data and just continue parroting your nonsense?
Bfgrn
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I am not Cypress, who ever that is.
I will answer both.
Here is a letter from an Appleton board member. Gee, I wonder why your source, the same people financing and running Walker's campaign didn't divulge any of the details of what is really going on? Maybe you should go get another drink from the toilet, I mean lemonade bowl...
Letters: Appleton Area School District worked to find savings
In a letter published Jan. 2, John Krueger suggested that $2 million could have been saved by the Appleton Area School District if retirees' insurance benefits were withdrawn. This statement is both inaccurate and misleading. The board had a commitment to these retiring teachers to provide health insurance benefits in return for their long service.
But let's look at the actual financial impact of the retirement of 92.4 full-time equivalent teachers. According to the AASD human resources department, the average salary of the retirees would have been $68,276. The average salary of all remaining active teachers was $48,526. The difference due to retirement of higher-paid teachers, $19,750 for 92.4 FTEs, represents a $1,824,900 savings in teacher salaries alone.
The only additional cost to the district is the employees' premium share since the district would be paying for the balance of the health insurance if the teacher had not retired. The premium share, which the retiree does not pay, is $184 per month for family coverage, which amounts to an annual cost to the district of approximately $204,000, resulting in a net savings of $1,620,900.
Additional savings of over $500,000 were realized by reducing 12 teacher FTEs from the 2010-11 count.
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Here is how a government bid process works. The government agency writes what are called bid specifications. Bid specifications spell out in detail the minimum requirements for the product or services to be purchased. In this case, insurance. It will set minimum coverages, deductibles, dollar caps, benefits, co-pays etc.
'Insurance' is a general term, like 'food' it is not specific (root word of specifications). Insurance can be anything from limited benefit policies (known as mini-meds) we saw in the right wing health care bill 'waivers' disinformation to comprehensive plans that cover essential health benefits (hospital care, physician visits, preventive services, among others) and provide sufficient security against financial risk of illness and accidents for their employees.
As WEA said in the link you provided:
The recent $800 million cut to education has forced school districts to search for modified health insurance plans to fit their current budget needs. Many school districts in Wisconsin are choosing to stay with or switch to the WEA Trust as the provider for employees in their district. These decisions were made as a result of a competitive bidding process resulting in WEA Trust proving to be the best value.
So, my bet is that not only are teachers losing $3,000 in pay, they are getting less comprehensive insurance coverage. A double hit on people who did NOTHING wrong.
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The Almighty
Sorry, I forgot we were all supposed to not notice.
LMAO... you answer with a letter? Please tell us what makes you think this letter is referring to the savings of the $3mm. This was an additional proposal to save additional money. It has nothing to do with the money saved by Appleton. WEA Trust lowered their premium bid by 11% once it was open to competition. It had originally offered a 2% reduction.
http://www.publicschoolspending.com...ust-to-lower-its-rates-to-remain-competitive/
Yep... that is NOT what we are talking about.
Nope. Not talking about retiring teachers either.
Seriously, try actually answering the TOPIC being discussed.
Yeah... ya still didn't answer anything.
So, in other words, you are full of shit and just 'guessing'?
As for their doing nothing wrong... NO ONE suggested they did something wrong. (Such a Cypress like Strawman right there. But I know, you aren't Cypress.
)Nor did the private sector tax payers do anything wrong. So your point?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Cypress is a former member who has a PhD in geology and is a registered Professional Geologist (PG) who just absolutely humiliated and embarrased SF in a debate about anthropogenic climate change.
It was hillareous. Cypress was citnig peer reviewed science and SF was siting the Petroleum Institute of American and a mining engineer from Montana. It was the most hillareous butt whooping in a debate since Dixie tried to debate me on Intelligent Design Creationism. Cypress just crushed SF and SF has held a grudge ever since
Bfgrn
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The freak drinks from the toilet, he thinks it's lemonade.
Things are NOT going well in Wisconsin. Let's start with public schools:
Budget Survey Analysis
Wisconsin Association of School District Administrators
Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction
November 10, 2011
1 Introduction
The 2011 Wisconsin Act 32 (the 2011-13 biennial budget) contained sweeping changes to the level and nature of school funding for public schools in Wisconsin.
Briefly, this budget:
- Decreases general school aids by $749 million over the biennium.
- Reduces the revenue limit per pupil by 5.5% in FY12.
- Eliminates several revenue limit exemptions such as school nursing, pupil transportation, safety equipment, and funds for school security officers.
- Reduces nearly all categorical aids by 10%, in addition to eliminating some programs outright.
According to one recent report, this dramatic cut in state aid for schools amounted to the second largest single-year reduction in per pupil spending among the 46 states studied. This same study found that education cuts have extended the recession, slowed the recovery, and undermined education reform and the ability of school districts to deliver high-quality education. These education cuts come at a time when students and their families are experiencing historically high levels of economic disadvantage as detailed in data that shows 41.4% of students statewide qualify for free or reduced-price school meals based on family income.
The Department of Public Instruction's general aid certification, released last month, showed that 97% of the state's public school districts (411 of 424) will receive less school aid for the 2011-12 school year than they did in the previous year. The median decrease in aid for districts was 9.98%.
Also, as a result of the 2011-13 state budget school districts experienced a 5.5% revenue limit cut resulting in a loss of $1.6 billion in revenue authority over the 2011-13 biennium as compared to previous statute. This is the rst decrease ever in revenue caps.
These education cuts occurred in the context of a budget that increases overall spending by nearly two percent, including a 10% increase in state funding for students attending private schools in the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program this year alone.
Much has been made of the unremarkable fact that school districts across the state balanced their budgets this year. School districts are required to balance their budgets every year, so the important question is not whether they balanced their budgets, but rather how that balanced budget was achieved. To explore this, initial results from the Wisconsin Association of School District Administrators (WASDA) survey\Cuts in Staff, Programs, and Services for the 2011-12 School Year" are presented below. The survey was conducted in the early fall of 2011 with 83% of districts responding, representing roughly 81% of Wisconsin students.
In the section below the responses of the survey are tabulated to provide a picture of what districts said is occurring in the 2011-12 school year. The next section puts these numbers into context using staffing data from previous years, enrollment data for the current and previous years, and staff contract status information.
2 Executive Summary
The following are key points from the analysis:
- A much greater number of jobs were lost in the K-12 sector than in previous years of budget cuts.
- The depth and breadth of losses of experienced educators statewide is large. Nine out of ten students attend a district that had a net loss of staff in one of four staffing areas surveyed.
- Replacement teachers and staff are younger, less experienced, and face higher student teacher ratios than the educators they replaced.
- Fewer staff leads to class size increases with four in ten students attending in a district with increased class sizes in elementary grades.
- Fewer staff leads to cuts in essential support and learning programs with three in four students attending in a district that reduced staff in at least one such program and one in five attending in a district that reduced more than five such programs.
- Differences between districts that had contracts compared to those without union contracts were not statistically significant.
- Half of all districts reported that they used one-time federal funds to oset even deeper cuts - funds that will be unavailable next year.
- Two out of three districts reported that they expect to have as deep or even deeper cuts next year. Only one out of 10 expect to have fewer cuts next year.
3.1 Question 1: Staff Losses
The first question asked districts to report what staffing losses occurred by position type for the 2011-12 school year. Table 1 below illustrates the statewide count of staff losses aggregated by staff position classication.
Table 1: Responses to Question 1 on Job Losses from the Sample
Retirements - Layoffs - Non-Renewals - New Hires - Net
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Teachers 3252 678 1432 3707 -1655
Administrators 285 8 164 285 -172
Aides 361 605 404 606 -765
Support 683 137 596 640 -776
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Totals 4581 1428 2597 5238 -3368
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
WTF Bfgrn.....they're only people. Who gives a rats ass about them? The real question is "Did the Koch Brothers realize a return on their investment? [/sarcasm]
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You crack me up Mutt. Cypress and YOU lost every single one of those 'debates'. His response to PEER REVIEWED climatolgists that disagreed with the fear mongers was 'I have never heard of that dude' or 'the University of Delaware? that is funny'.
In the end, we have seen more and more and more come out that says I was right and you two 'CONSENSUS!' morons were wrong.
It was hillareous. Cypress was citnig peer reviewed science and SF was siting the Petroleum Institute of American and a mining engineer from Montana. It was the most hillareous butt whooping in a debate since Dixie tried to debate me on Intelligent Design Creationism. Cypress just crushed SF and SF has held a grudge ever since
Seriously Mutt? How many times must we have this conversation? You make stupid comments like the above yet the threads are still available for others to read. Everyone can see you are full of shit. Everyone can see the buffoon Cypress's response to PEER reviewed pieces that disagreed with him. Everyone can see you running around shouting consensus. No matter how many times you shouted consensus, everyone can see that one of the LEADING 'experts' you morons championed even stated EXACTLY what I said.... the debate is not over, there is much we still have to learn, etc... yet you two ass clowns ignored that time and again. All of which is on this very board for anyone to read. So keep on shouting consensus and pretending you two morons won the argument. how is that working out for you now?
Any significant increase in global temps over the past decade? Yet CO2 levels have been increasing. Model after model of the consensus crowd failing.
The only thing Cypress was is a leg humping stalker who demonstrated just how perverted he was to the entire board. He then changed his name and thought we wouldn't notice the same cut and paste style, the same nonsensical positions etc... but I know, we are supposed to keep pretending they aren't the same.
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Darla
Uh oh. I think I have work to do.
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Sweet Jane
ROTFLMAO....Cypress is a real scientist who showed you up as the neophyte you are and his crushing you was some of the best comedy that's ever been on JPP.