Walkers Plan continues to work.

LMAO... they were not required to take a pay cut, they were asked to pay a portion of the benefits yes, they did not lose ANY rights.

But we do see what stomping your feet and acting like little children gets you... 519 teachers without a job. SMART.

REALLY?

According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, for the average state worker making $50,000 a year, the deductions add up to a 9 percent cut, or roughly $4,400, in take-home pay. But many workers make less than $50,000 and for them, the cuts go deeper.

“Some took a $200 hit on the first check,” said Cobb. “I have some non-represented custodial workers whose checks are annihilated. Now, people are saying they may have to drop their health insurance in order to feed their kids.”

Ah, yes, the freedom of choice in FitzWalkerstan: healthcare or food on the table?

You can't be honest about anything, can you freak?
 
Ok... so now you are going to post random articles on how you think Walker is evil. LOL... I accept your surrender.

Random? Hardly. You say Walkers Plan continues to work. But he DIDN'T balance the budget.

And you claim to be so concerned about taxpayer's money, but it wouldn't matter if at least a couple of Gov. Scott Walker’s former county staffers were doing extensive campaign activity while on the taxpayers’ dime?
 
Let's recap freak. The only thing you posted on this thread came from the same people who funded Scott Walker and ran his campaign. But you don't even question their credibility.

You found a way to justify punishing people who did nothing wrong, and were not the cause of Wisconsin's budget woes. BUT, they belong to a 'union', the evil of all evils to the robber baron Koch brothers. And you parrot their agenda.

As a matter of fact, the teachers in Wisconsin are not overcompensated. 50 years of collective bargaining gained the teachers in Wisconsin a rank of 21st in average salary nationwide. Hardly malfeasance. They immediately dropped to 23rd in 2010. Wisconsin teacher pay fell to the lowest level in 50 years compared to other teachers nationally.

And the union and the teachers not only did nothing wrong, they did everything right. They helped create an insurance trust that spends 94 cents of every dollar on benefits. Through WEA Trust, teachers were able to get a very comprehensive plan for the same cost as a bare bones plan from 'for profit' providers. They saved taxpayers money over the years and protected themselves and their families from illnesses with innovative plans that offered preventative care and wellness plans. But you slander WEA Trust.

You didn't understand how government bidding works. They are sealed bids. No one bidding can negotiate price, or offer to match another bid. They would be in court in an instant. And if the government specs call for a Ford F-150 or equal, no one is going to bid an F-450 King Ranch.


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WEA Trust: Not Your Typical Insurance Company

WEA Trust is the number one health insurance provider in the state of Wisconsin and the number two provider in the US, according to the recent 2009 Consumer Assessment of Healthcare Providers and Systems (CAHPS) survey, an independent national survey which includes hundreds of health plans across the country. The Trust has the advantage of serving a captive audience: it was created by the largest teacher’s union in the state, Wisconsin Educational Association Council (WEAC), to serve all public school districts with a WEAC affiliate, which total approximately 400 districts. From its inception nearly 40 years ago, the company has been striving to be a different kind of insurance company.

“Most people don’t trust their health insurance provider,” said CEO Fred Evert. “We aim to establish long-term relationships with our members to help them be as healthy, productive, and as financially secure as possible.”

He explained that this mission is achieved in part through the Trust’s emphasis on excellent customer service. The organization is exceedingly efficient: Evert said the company has historically delivered 93 cents on every dollar a member pays in the form of benefits. Furthermore, the company still has every call answered personally by a staff member during business hours and strives to have members transferred only once. The company also staffs extra hands before and after school hours when most teachers have time to call their insurance company.

Over the last few years, the Trust has made several investments in its infrastructure to augment its customer service, including adding 60,000 square feet of space to its campus and updating its state-of-the-art phone system. Evert added that he and his team emphasize the benefits of partnerships, such as those with Ingenix software or with the state’s Department of Public Instruction (DPI), in delivering innovative products and exceptional service—hallmarks of the Trust brand.

For example, the Trust underwrites the cost to place DPI’s anti-bullying curriculum in every middle school and high school in Wisconsin. Evert wrote an editorial that ran in all the major state newspapers to support this anti-bullying campaign, Safe and Respectful Schools, saying an unsafe school is not a healthy school. In addition to working to create safer learning environments for Wisconsin children, this partnership distinguishes the Trust as a different type of insurance company.

Through its partnership with Ingenix, the Trust uses a number of software programs to coordinate care for its members. Perhaps the most significant of these is CarePlanner Web, which allows the Trust to use claims information to identify individuals with serious medical risks. Evert said the company works with providers and members to improve quality of care and manage costs.

Evert was proud to report that because of the Trust’s innovative services and excellent service, it enjoys a member persistence rate of more than 95%. “We offer a variety of programs and services to help our members get the care they need at the right place, the right time, and at the right price,” he said.

Ensuring wellness
The Trust has a four-part wellness plan that uses technology and a personal touch to help members stay healthy. The first piece is an online health risk assessment. The company has implemented a number of incentives and educational campaigns about the benefits of such a test, and in 2007, a record 46,000 members took the assessment.

Another piece is the Ingenix ImpactPro software, which takes information from assessments and claims data to identify at-risk individuals. This allows the Trust to communicate with members and make sure they are using the resources that are available to them.

The third piece is a case management system, which includes a number of programs for members with different chronic diseases, like diabetes, cancer, or heart disease. These programs help members get the right care at the right time.

The fourth piece is a software system called Impact Intelligence, which allows the Trust to analyze claims data and work with providers to improve the quality of care. Evert said the company compares providers, partners with those who provide the highest quality care for the lowest cost, and then steers members toward them.

“The rising cost of healthcare necessitates that we choose to get care in the most efficacious and least costly settings, and this technology helps us guide members toward that,” said Evert.

Pending board approval later this year, the Trust plans to offer a new program with its wellness offerings: Trust Rewards. This program is designed to give members an incentive to engage in healthy practices and get regular screenings. The company already sends every member a birthday card on his or her 50th birthday to remind them to get a colonoscopy; Evert said screening rates improved by 22% from that simple measure alone.

The Trust also sponsors programs that include community outreach and education initiatives, like the Movin’ and Munchin’ program, which is in conjunction with the DPI. Through Movin’ and Munchin’, the company sponsors two Wisconsin Olympians to speak at school districts across the state, encouraging adults and kids to adopt healthy behaviors. With the help of the Trust, the program has increased participation nearly 400%, including 170 schools in 2008, up from 34 in 2007.

Innovative insurance

There are few more important values for the Trust than innovation, as these programs illustrate. But Evert and his team have more up their sleeves. This year, the company redesigned its prescription drug benefits so about 100 of the most commonly used therapeutic classes require no co-payment when members opt for a generic label. Already, nearly 60% of the company’s members use generics rather than brand-name drugs, saving about $115 per prescription.

The Trust was one of the first in the nation to offer a long-term disability plan that essentially replaces a member’s take-home pay with a 90% replacement ratio. The company is also one of the only of its kind to offer true group long-term care plans. Currently, 58,000 of its members are insured for about $300,000 in the event they are incapacitated for an extended period of time. They can shield assets equal to that amount and still qualify for Medicaid support.

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Sayeth the king of the circular argument. No one said I was a ringer on all topics of science. I told you I was a ringer on the topic of evolutionary biology as I have a graduate level education in biology. You then made some undefensible statements that I clearly pointed out were wrong and then you proceeded to babble incoherently in circles. Since I couldn't make sense to the senseless, why try?

But if you want to make a fool of your self about ID again, open a new thread.

lol.....no, you decided to claim I didn't know enough science to warrant engaging in the debate.....if you want to redeem yourself simply go back and answer the questions you avoided then.....Ringer!......lol.....

a "circular argument" in Mott-speak is one so far over his head it makes his head spin trying to think of a response.....
 
Let's recap freak. The only thing you posted on this thread came from the same people who funded Scott Walker and ran his campaign. But you don't even question their credibility.

Lets recap Cypress... the only thing you posted is nonsense about how Walker is evil because the Koch brothers donated $30k to his campaign or some such nonsense. Then you attack one source after another and proclaim them all to be people who funded Walkers campaign blah blah blah. You continually refuse to address the FACTS in the articles. You make shit up from sources that 'ran or funded campaigns AGAINST Walker' (you see how easy that is... now does that mean everything those people state is automatically false??? Is that how it works in your deluded little world leg humper?)

You found a way to justify punishing people who did nothing wrong, and were not the cause of Wisconsin's budget woes. BUT, they belong to a 'union', the evil of all evils to the robber baron Koch brothers. And you parrot their agenda.

LMAO... you talk of parrots. You and Mutt are the king parrots of this site. Here you go again about the Koch brothers. Idiot.

Also, it is not about 'punishing' people you fucking idiot. It is about the economy being in bad shape and the belt tightening that almost everyone must go through.

AGAIN, I ask you (and you will ignore).... should the private sector workers be 'punished' and forced to pay that money for the public sector workers? Someone has to moron. It is either the private sector pays for the public or the public pays for a part of their own. There is no one else that can pay moron. So why is it that the private sector should be 'punished' in your little world?

As a matter of fact, the teachers in Wisconsin are not overcompensated. 50 years of collective bargaining gained the teachers in Wisconsin a rank of 21st in average salary nationwide. Hardly malfeasance.

Why is it that you continue to parrot the above nonsense? You keep tossing out 'hardly malfeasance' as if someone has suggested that. What we are saying is that it is ok for the public workers to pay their fair share (isn't that your masters favored term these days?).
And the union and the teachers not only did nothing wrong, they did everything right. They helped create an insurance trust that spends 94 cents of every dollar on benefits. Through WEA Trust, teachers were able to get a very comprehensive plan for the same cost as a bare bones plan from 'for profit' providers. They saved taxpayers money over the years and protected themselves and their families from illnesses with innovative plans that offered preventative care and wellness plans. But you slander WEA Trust.

LMAO... a trust that magically found a way to reduce health insurance premiums by almost 11% for Appleton? That says they were over charging. Because health care costs are still on the rise and yet they found a way to reduce by 11% when most premiums are going up across the board? Yeah, they were being raped by their own union.

Do show us the difference in the plans. Because once again you are making shit up. Show us the differences in coverage of the 'bare bones' private plans and the 'comprehensive' one from WEA.

You didn't understand how government bidding works. They are sealed bids. No one bidding can negotiate price, or offer to match another bid. They would be in court in an instant. And if the government specs call for a Ford F-150 or equal, no one is going to bid an F-450 King Ranch.

Now you are just rambling like a fool. Please show me anywhere in the above that shows I don't understand government bidding.
 
Hey forget about Myself and Bgfrn. What about the 1 million people who signed a petition to recall Walker? The people of Wisconsin must not be seeing things through the same rose colored lenses you're looking through.

That's nearly 20% of the entire population of the State and closer to half the voting public who have signed a petition to recall him from office? You don't think that's a sign that things aren't exactly going well for Mr. Walker? I mean this is just a petition and it has nearly the same number of signers as people who voted for Walker in 2010. Any rational look at these numbers show that it's very likely that Scott Walker will be recalled. That would be pretty strong evidence to any objective political observer that things aren't working so well for Walker when he is at very high risk to become only the third Governor in US History to ever be recalled by the voters of that State.

In case the obvious has slipped your grasp the fact that they have obtained over 1 million petition signers is pretty strong evidence that for more then that would come out to vote. By any objective measure Scott Walker, politically speaking, is in deep shit!
 
Lets recap Cypress... the only thing you posted is nonsense about how Walker is evil because the Koch brothers donated $30k to his campaign or some such nonsense. Then you attack one source after another and proclaim them all to be people who funded Walkers campaign blah blah blah. You continually refuse to address the FACTS in the articles. You make shit up from sources that 'ran or funded campaigns AGAINST Walker' (you see how easy that is... now does that mean everything those people state is automatically false??? Is that how it works in your deluded little world leg humper?)



LMAO... you talk of parrots. You and Mutt are the king parrots of this site. Here you go again about the Koch brothers. Idiot.

Also, it is not about 'punishing' people you fucking idiot. It is about the economy being in bad shape and the belt tightening that almost everyone must go through.

AGAIN, I ask you (and you will ignore).... should the private sector workers be 'punished' and forced to pay that money for the public sector workers? Someone has to moron. It is either the private sector pays for the public or the public pays for a part of their own. There is no one else that can pay moron. So why is it that the private sector should be 'punished' in your little world?



Why is it that you continue to parrot the above nonsense? You keep tossing out 'hardly malfeasance' as if someone has suggested that. What we are saying is that it is ok for the public workers to pay their fair share (isn't that your masters favored term these days?).


LMAO... a trust that magically found a way to reduce health insurance premiums by almost 11% for Appleton? That says they were over charging. Because health care costs are still on the rise and yet they found a way to reduce by 11% when most premiums are going up across the board? Yeah, they were being raped by their own union.

Do show us the difference in the plans. Because once again you are making shit up. Show us the differences in coverage of the 'bare bones' private plans and the 'comprehensive' one from WEA.



Now you are just rambling like a fool. Please show me anywhere in the above that shows I don't understand government bidding.

You claim it is not about punishing people who did nothing wrong, but they ARE being punished. Unless taking a cut in pay is a GOOD thing. Who ELSE is being forced to belt tighten? Are public unions that supported Walker being forced to belt tighten? The answer is NO.

You have ignored everything I posted. Like the letter from an Appleton Board of Education member who explained how they worked to save money. The retirement of 92.4 full-time equivalent teachers and by reducing 12 teacher FTEs from the 2010-11 count.

If your source is so impeccable, WHY didn't they mention any of those factors?

It is truly amazing that you have ZERO skepticism of the sources you use, even after I prove they are the people funding and running Walker's campaign. WHY is that freak? Can you explain that to me?
 
Hey forget about Myself and Bgfrn. What about the 1 million people who signed a petition to recall Walker? The people of Wisconsin must not be seeing things through the same rose colored lenses you're looking through.

As I have stated MANY times... there are about 350k union workers in WI... Most of them public sector workers. How hard do you think it is for them to get four people on average per union worker to sign the petition?

That's nearly 20% of the entire population of the State and closer to half the voting public who have signed a petition to recall him from office?

It is about 30-50% of the registered voters.

You don't think that's a sign that things aren't exactly going well for Mr. Walker? I mean this is just a petition and it has nearly the same number of signers as people who voted for Walker in 2010. Any rational look at these numbers show that it's very likely that Scott Walker will be recalled. That would be pretty strong evidence to any objective political observer that things aren't working so well for Walker when he is at very high risk to become only the third Governor in US History to ever be recalled by the voters of that State.

LMAO... it is one thing to get people to sign a petition. Another all together to get them to a special election. Very likely that he will be recalled? For a union shill, I suppose that is how the world looks from your viewpoint. Yes, he is going to have a challenge. But let's see who the Dems put up against him before projecting his destruction.

In case the obvious has slipped your grasp the fact that they have obtained over 1 million petition signers is pretty strong evidence that for more then that would come out to vote. By any objective measure Scott Walker, politically speaking, is in deep shit!

LMAO... having people sign petitions is far EASIER than getting them to the voting booth for a special election you dolt. But I know that doesn't fit into your fantasy world now does it?

We already saw what happened in the Senate races. The Dems didn't argue about the union issue... because there were already signs of it working. How long do you think it will take to start running ads on the money school districts are saving and the number of jobs that weren't lost as Dem fear mongers kept projecting?

Performing parrot acts like Cypress and shouting about the evil Koch brothers is not going to win the recall.

All Walker has to do is highlight the successes. There are still problems to be fixed to be sure, but the state is moving in the right direction.
 
You claim it is not about punishing people who did nothing wrong, but they ARE being punished. Unless taking a cut in pay is a GOOD thing. Who ELSE is being forced to belt tighten?

Ask all the private sector workers who have lost jobs, lost 401k matching, seen increases in their share of health care costs etc... Are you truly that ignorant that you don't see what is going on in the real world?

Are public unions that supported Walker being forced to belt tighten? The answer is NO.

So you want to 'punish' them?

You have ignored everything I posted. Like the letter from an Appleton Board of Education member who explained how they worked to save money. The retirement of 92.4 full-time equivalent teachers and by reducing 12 teacher FTEs from the 2010-11 count.

No moron, I addressed your letter. Your letter was referring to ways to save further funds. It was not referencing the 11% reduction in health care premiums that WEA offered Appleton after Appleton put it up for bid. As I stated and YOU ignored, WEA had offered a 2% cut prior to Appleton putting it up for bid. Then magically WEA found another 9%.

If your source is so impeccable, WHY didn't they mention any of those factors?

1) I am not saying any source is impeccable
2) Probably because they were discussing another issue entirely. A point you cannot seem to grasp.

It is truly amazing that you have ZERO skepticism of the sources you use, even after I prove they are the people funding and running Walker's campaign. WHY is that freak? Can you explain that to me?

LMAO... as I stated moron... if you look at every publication... they fund/support one side or another. Dismissing sources because of that alone is MORONIC.

AS I STATED MORON.... try discussing the FACTS. But you can't do that can you Cypress? You have to keep attacking the sources because you CAN'T acknowledge the facts. They just don't fit into your fantasy world very well, do they?
 
In case the obvious has slipped your grasp the fact that they have obtained over 1 million petition signers is pretty strong evidence that for more then that would come out to vote.

just the opposite.....it's far easier to get someone to sign a piece of paper when you walk up to them on the street than to get them to get in their car and drive to the voting booth on election day....
 
lol.....no, you decided to claim I didn't know enough science to warrant engaging in the debate.....if you want to redeem yourself simply go back and answer the questions you avoided then.....Ringer!......lol.....

a "circular argument" in Mott-speak is one so far over his head it makes his head spin trying to think of a response.....
That's a true statement. You kept rambling on in circles about things that had nothing to do with science. Simply pointing out to you that you were making senseless circular arguments that had nothing to do with either science and therefor were not relevent to the discussion does not mean I was not avoiding answering your questions. It means you simply don't understand what science is. Why should I waste my time debating you on science when you don't even understand it's most fundament preceps?

I would be more then happy to discuss the scientific merits (well more corectly, the lack there of) of ID creationism anytime. I'm not going to argue in circles with you about non-science. When you've studied up on the subject and you think you can discuss it intelligently let me know and I"ll be more than happy to debate you about it. Just remember, once you step off the science boat then that ship is going to sail with out you.
 
Ask all the private sector workers who have lost jobs, lost 401k matching, seen increases in their share of health care costs etc... Are you truly that ignorant that you don't see what is going on in the real world?



So you want to 'punish' them?



No moron, I addressed your letter. Your letter was referring to ways to save further funds. It was not referencing the 11% reduction in health care premiums that WEA offered Appleton after Appleton put it up for bid. As I stated and YOU ignored, WEA had offered a 2% cut prior to Appleton putting it up for bid. Then magically WEA found another 9%.



1) I am not saying any source is impeccable
2) Probably because they were discussing another issue entirely. A point you cannot seem to grasp.



LMAO... as I stated moron... if you look at every publication... they fund/support one side or another. Dismissing sources because of that alone is MORONIC.

AS I STATED MORON.... try discussing the FACTS. But you can't do that can you Cypress? You have to keep attacking the sources because you CAN'T acknowledge the facts. They just don't fit into your fantasy world very well, do they?

You haven't answered my question, Who else is being forced to share the burden in Wisconsin?

You keep claiming I need to discuss facts. But the only 'sources' of 'facts' you provide are from the same people. They are not facts.

Ironic that they are all tied to a very well funded corporate attack on unions and public schools. The article you cite as proof of WEA trust and Appleton Schools is from Education Action Group. It is a front for the GOP. It was set up by the Michigan GOP General Counsel, Eric Doster and is run by a guy (Kyle Olson) with no background in education but whose brother (Ryan Olson) is the Director of Education Policy for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. Mackinac Center was founded by John Engler and others as a propaganda machine for the GOP.

None of your sources ever mention that school employees, even under the restrictions of the QEO, subsidized the premium payment by agreeing to reduced raises. In essence, they contributed by not taking full raises.

WEA Trust vies as it should

By Kathryne Mcgowan

Dec. 6, 2010 | (8) Comments

I am writing in response to columnist Patrick McIlheran's angry attack on my company, the WEA Trust.

He wrote in a Dec. 2 column on Perspectives that my company just lost the Milton School District as a health insurance customer because we were outbid. That is true. We competed in a fair bid process, and in this instance, the school district chose another carrier.

But McIlheran went on to make a series of unfounded and unwarranted statements that we must refute. He concluded that because we lost the business, my company, therefore, "sucks away scarce school money" from all of our state's schools where we do business. It's a choice between "more taxes or more ignorance," he says.

That's outrageous.

In fact, we lost business to competitive market forces. Here are the facts:

• The WEA Trust competes in the marketplace. We win and lose school district business all the time as insurance companies around the state compete in the school health insurance market.

• Our business model is competitive. We were formed to pool the state's smallest districts together to give them more bargaining power and protection from abusive insurance practices in the small group market. That's the market at work - a model that groups representing small businesses and farmers are trying to emulate.

• We're good at what we do. It is true we administer excellent benefits and excellent service. And it is true health insurance is expensive - and teachers have bargained away salary to keep their benefits, as have many other workers in both the public and private sectors. We earned that loyalty - and would like to keep it. That's what successful companies do.

The Trust was created 40 years ago by the Wisconsin Education Association Council, the state's largest teachers union, but it does not "own" the Trust. We're a state-regulated, full-service, not-for-profit health insurance company.

It is true we have some advantages. As a company created to serve school districts, we know the business. We don't have corporate jets, million-dollar CEOs or stockholders demanding a share of the profits. So we're able to return to school districts (and taxpayers) 93 cents for every dollar in premiums we receive as benefits.

The competition is tough. Some competitors win business by promising two years of very low premiums. That's what happened in Kenosha. But just this year, that school district's insurance premiums soared - and now they're our customer once again. The same scenario occurred in the Monroe and TriCounty school districts.

The Trust is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing in the marketplace: competing hard for customer business and customer loyalty.

Kathryne McGowan is vice president for marketing and product development for the WEA Trust.
 
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That's a true statement. You kept rambling on in circles about things that had nothing to do with science. Simply pointing out to you that you were making senseless circular arguments that had nothing to do with either science and therefor were not relevent to the discussion does not mean I was not avoiding answering your questions. It means you simply don't understand what science is. Why should I waste my time debating you on science when you don't even understand it's most fundament preceps?

I would be more then happy to discuss the scientific merits (well more corectly, the lack there of) of ID creationism anytime. I'm not going to argue in circles with you about non-science. When you've studied up on the subject and you think you can discuss it intelligently let me know and I"ll be more than happy to debate you about it. Just remember, once you step off the science boat then that ship is going to sail with out you.

lol, in the two years since I've joined the board you haven't demonstrated you have knowledge in any field.....if you ever feel up to it, all you have to do is go back and answer all the questions you've been running from since I arrived.....
 
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