Bush wars have cost $3.7 trillion over the past decade

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Your circular reasoning is so blatant and yet you're blind to it.

Competition is not human nature.?.....Sorry sonny.....competition IS human nature
We are not cats or mice or birds whose only real natural instinct is to survive....
They don't crave more comfort or more 'things' or a sexier mate.....they are simple animals......
if you provide for their one and only basic need to survive, you've made them your slave.....
Thats what you want for mankind......slavery with those that provide the base needs the slave owners.....
and you've not progressed far enough to have realized it.....


The higher on the animal ladder one specie gets the more complex the competitive instinct and the more driving the instinct for survival and comfort......thats human nature.....not to be compared with animal instinct.....it goes much deeper than doing battle for the most females in the herd....


I was really after the rest of your comrade liberal Democrat Socialists to come to your defense and agree with your post, before I smashed it pieces.....but they
didn't have the balls to put themselves at risk of showing what ignorant asses they are.....

The only ignorant ass here is you. You are unable to understand how society conditions people. If acquiring wealth is glorified then people are going to seek that regardless of the consequences.

Survival and comfort may be human nature, however, some people acquire more wealth than they'll ever need. It has little to do with survival and comfort and more to do with greed.

Your associating providing life's necessities and slavery is bizarre. I suppose if the government provided an upscale home, a new car, plenty of good food, yearly vacations, top quality clothing....you may have a point but that's not reality.

As the old saying goes, "Get real!"
 
Incapable of discussing the astronomical costs of Bush's failed wars, Blabo? Read, and learn... Bush Proposal On Vieques Too Little Too Late After pressure from the people of Vieques, the U.S. Navy left the island of Vieques in Puerto Rico on May, 2003, after more than 60 years of use as a testing ground. The U.S. Navy came to Vieques in 1941, taking jurisdiction of about 70% (27,000 of the island's 33,000 acres) of Vieques, which it was used as a training area (target practice with live ammunition and war games). As a result, Vieques has inherited a legacy of toxic pollution. In May of 1999, the U.S. Navy admitted that it had tested radioactive depleted uranium shells in the island. Many in the island blame the high cancer rate (26 percent over Puerto Rico's average) on the Navy's pollution. http://www.albionmonitor.com/0106a/copyright/bushviques.html Still planning to move there because you saw some 5 year-old gas prices on a CNN Money site? Poor Blabo.

Blabo's grasp on reality is tentative, at best.
 
The only ignorant ass here is you. You are unable to understand how society conditions people. If acquiring wealth is glorified then people are going to seek that regardless of the consequences.

Survival and comfort may be human nature, however, some people acquire more wealth than they'll ever need. It has little to do with survival and comfort and more to do with greed.

Your associating providing life's necessities and slavery is bizarre. I suppose if the government provided an upscale home, a new car, plenty of good food, yearly vacations, top quality clothing....you may have a point but that's not reality.

As the old saying goes, "Get real!"

Well, we weren't yet talking about going to the extreme of greed but I see your need to get there in order to make yourself sound like you have a point....you conviently skip over the point I make that destroys you socialist utopia....

...competition IS human nature
We are not cats or mice or birds whose only real natural instinct is to survive....
They don't crave more comfort or more 'things' or a sexier mate.....they are simple animals......

if you provide for some basic need they require to survive, you've made them your slave.....
Thats what you want for mankind......slavery, with those that provide the base needs the slave owners.....


This is socialism.....you provide the food stamps, the healthcare, the endless unemployment, subsidized housing, lower standards for education, lower standards for
job requirements, equal pay for unequal work, high pay for menial labor, etc....the list is endless....give them all this and you've created a slave society that depends on
someone else for them to survive....they ARE the slaves....and those that provide all those goodies are a slave owners......

From the right, I see it as catering to those that refuse to take responsibility for themselves and work to get the best they can for themselves and their families...

From the left, you see it as Corporations providing workers with the lowest wages they can in order to exploit them......

The difference is FREEDOM.....we are free to learn and grow and prosper......corporations can't hold you back from learning and using your brain and wits....they don't make law or have enforcement power.

but a government that conditions you to rely on them for your existence is impossible to overcome....they make the laws and regulations and have the power to
enforce those laws and regulations with FORCE if we allow them to eat away at out freedom.....ie...ignore the Constitution as Obama is doing with decrees and mandates bypassing congress in the process.....

After we establish this, we can talk about greed, the extreme you immediately jump to.....
 
Blabo you are a modern day miracle. Never before has one too stupid to breathe unassisted been able to type a nearly coherant sentence.
 
Well, we weren't yet talking about going to the extreme of greed but I see your need to get there in order to make yourself sound like you have a point....you conviently skip over the point I make that destroys you socialist utopia....

...competition IS human nature
We are not cats or mice or birds whose only real natural instinct is to survive....
They don't crave more comfort or more 'things' or a sexier mate.....they are simple animals......

if you provide for some basic need they require to survive, you've made them your slave.....
Thats what you want for mankind......slavery, with those that provide the base needs the slave owners.....


This is socialism.....you provide the food stamps, the healthcare, the endless unemployment, subsidized housing, lower standards for education, lower standards for
job requirements, equal pay for unequal work, high pay for menial labor, etc....the list is endless....give them all this and you've created a slave society that depends on
someone else for them to survive....they ARE the slaves....and those that provide all those goodies are a slave owners......

From the right, I see it as catering to those that refuse to take responsibility for themselves and work to get the best they can for themselves and their families...

From the left, you see it as Corporations providing workers with the lowest wages they can in order to exploit them......

The difference is FREEDOM.....we are free to learn and grow and prosper......corporations can't hold you back from learning and using your brain and wits....they don't make law or have enforcement power.

but a government that conditions you to rely on them for your existence is impossible to overcome....they make the laws and regulations and have the power to
enforce those laws and regulations with FORCE if we allow them to eat away at out freedom.....ie...ignore the Constitution as Obama is doing with decrees and mandates bypassing congress in the process.....

After we establish this, we can talk about greed, the extreme you immediately jump to.....

We're you classified as a slave when you were in the Navy?
 
Bush wars have cost $3.7 trillion over the past decade

Yet when he spent the budget surplus and buried America under a mountain of debt, the Righties were largely silent.

Now that the US is broke because of the Bush policy of tax cuts and wild spending on lost wars, and the 1% has expropriated the wealth of the middle class, they want to start crying about deficits and the cost of "Obamacare"...:palm:


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629

I don't recall anyone on the right being "largely silent" over Bush's spending and debt. In fact, I recall dozens of conservatives on talk radio and TV, as well as political office holders and pundits elsewhere, lamenting how they disapproved of Bush spending... In fact, this is one of the main reasons we can even seriously entertain the notion of a liberal bitching about government spending.. If the right were "largely silent" about spending, the left would never bring it up, there would be no political reason to do so, after all, liberals are not at all opposed to spending or debt. Except when it's for the military, of course.

Now let's help you out with a little perspective, since you seem to have none... You can't say "Bush wars cost us $X, unless you are willing to calculate what the cost might have been if we hadn't had the wars. Now, I realize in liberal fantasy world, we could have saved every single penny we spent on the wars, and if we hadn't fought them, there would have been no consequences which would have cost us anything at all... but that's only between the bubble gum and cotton candy inside what you call a brain... in reality, everything has a consequence. For instance, before we went into Iraq, it was costing us a billion dollars a day to ensure Saddam complied with the UN and allowed inspections. A billion a day for a decade, comes to just about the 3.7 trillion you are bitching about.... If we hadn't gone to war in Iraq, and daisies didn't magically shoot out of Saddam's ass--turning him into a liberal pacifist, we can conclude the same 3.7 tril would have gone to ensuring Saddam played nice... and that doesn't even start to deal with alQaeda and the Taliban. So in essence, Bush may have actually SAVED us money, because remember, IF we had spent the money on monitoring Saddam, we'd still have Saddam.

There is also the cost we may have had in dealing with a chem/bio terror attack, from one of several anti-American terror groups Saddam was associated with, from chem/bio weapons made in Iraq at one of hundreds of weapons facilities, with the tons of raw weapons-grade materials, and thousands of empty warheads. Now maybe this happens and maybe it doesn't, but what do you imagine it might cost America to clean up a dirty bomb attack on NYC? Probably several billion there... Then, there is the Taliban and alQaeda, and since you cited "Bush's WarS" (plural), I assume you include Afghanistan... so that means, all this time, alQaeda is still training in the mountains, the Taliban is still providing them state sponsorship.... You don't believe this would have ultimately cost us anything? What was the overall cost of 9/11 again?

It's EASY to be a liberal moron, and say.... BUSH WARS COST US $X.... but we can just as easily say that government assistance for pond scum like yourself, who leech off the productivity of the taxpayer, has cost us over $100 trillion in the past 70 years, and we still haven't fixed the problem. We could argue that eliminating government welfare will save us trillions over the next decade, and completely ignore the cost in suffering or dealing with the ramifications of eliminating it... but that would make us dishonest lying manipulative assholes like you.
 
I don't recall anyone on the right being "largely silent" over Bush's spending and debt. In fact, I recall dozens of conservatives on talk radio and TV, as well as political office holders and pundits elsewhere, lamenting how they disapproved of Bush spending... In fact, this is one of the main reasons we can even seriously entertain the notion of a liberal bitching about government spending.. If the right were "largely silent" about spending, the left would never bring it up, there would be no political reason to do so, after all, liberals are not at all opposed to spending or debt. Except when it's for the military, of course.

Now let's help you out with a little perspective, since you seem to have none... You can't say "Bush wars cost us $X, unless you are willing to calculate what the cost might have been if we hadn't had the wars. Now, I realize in liberal fantasy world, we could have saved every single penny we spent on the wars, and if we hadn't fought them, there would have been no consequences which would have cost us anything at all... but that's only between the bubble gum and cotton candy inside what you call a brain... in reality, everything has a consequence. For instance, before we went into Iraq, it was costing us a billion dollars a day to ensure Saddam complied with the UN and allowed inspections. A billion a day for a decade, comes to just about the 3.7 trillion you are bitching about.... If we hadn't gone to war in Iraq, and daisies didn't magically shoot out of Saddam's ass--turning him into a liberal pacifist, we can conclude the same 3.7 tril would have gone to ensuring Saddam played nice... and that doesn't even start to deal with alQaeda and the Taliban. So in essence, Bush may have actually SAVED us money, because remember, IF we had spent the money on monitoring Saddam, we'd still have Saddam.

There is also the cost we may have had in dealing with a chem/bio terror attack, from one of several anti-American terror groups Saddam was associated with, from chem/bio weapons made in Iraq at one of hundreds of weapons facilities, with the tons of raw weapons-grade materials, and thousands of empty warheads. Now maybe this happens and maybe it doesn't, but what do you imagine it might cost America to clean up a dirty bomb attack on NYC? Probably several billion there... Then, there is the Taliban and alQaeda, and since you cited "Bush's WarS" (plural), I assume you include Afghanistan... so that means, all this time, alQaeda is still training in the mountains, the Taliban is still providing them state sponsorship.... You don't believe this would have ultimately cost us anything? What was the overall cost of 9/11 again?

It's EASY to be a liberal moron, and say.... BUSH WARS COST US $X.... but we can just as easily say that government assistance for pond scum like yourself, who leech off the productivity of the taxpayer, has cost us over $100 trillion in the past 70 years, and we still haven't fixed the problem. We could argue that eliminating government welfare will save us trillions over the next decade, and completely ignore the cost in suffering or dealing with the ramifications of eliminating it... but that would make us dishonest lying manipulative assholes like you.

Thank God we have had Obama to keep us safe. Unlike Bush, there have been no attacks on US soil on his watch, plus he killed Bin Laden.
 
so why did you bitch and moan repeatedly when i "fed" the troll?

Because I couldn't starve the bastard alone and you wouldn't help......I couldn't win the war by myself.....
If you and others would have helped me, maybe he'd be long gone.....
Now you might as well just humor the asswipe and kick his ass as I do on a regular basis.........
 
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We're you classified as a slave when you were in the Navy?

You bet....and I felt like one too.....
They take care of your every need and take away your freedom to choose .......still protected by law but . .....you are a slave in a very real way.
 
Thank God we have had Obama to keep us safe. Unlike Bush, there have been no attacks on US soil on his watch, plus he killed Bin Laden.


In the 8 years of GW Bush, 630 US serviceman lost their lives.......

In the 3 years of Obama, 1283 US serviceman lost their lives......


Now Obama will lose any gains made over the past 11 years .......
 
In the 8 years of GW Bush, 630 US serviceman lost their lives.......

In the 3 years of Obama, 1283 US serviceman lost their lives......


Now Obama will lose any gains made over the past 11 years .......

You conveniently left off those killed in Iraq, why is that?
 
You conveniently left off those killed in Iraq, why is that?

If all intents and purposes, the Iraq war was just about finished when Obama was elected, but

You're free to make a post.....
 
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If all intents and purposes, the Iraq war was just about finished when Obama was elected, but

You're free to make a post.....

So how does that make it OK for you to lie about the 4000 plus americans killed in Irag under Bush?
How can you possibly justify this?
 
Same as above.....If all intents and purposes, the Iraq war was just about finished when Obama was elected, but

You're free to post something


Thats like saying what about the WWII.....

My goodness you are full of shit.
 
So how does that make it OK for you to lie about the 4000 plus americans killed in Irag under Bush?
How can you possibly justify this?

Stick your groan up your ass.....I didn't lie about anything....I didn't even mention Bush or the Iraq war or how many were killed in action there....
I said that the war was just about over when Obama got elected, actually the war was over and it was the occupation that was scheduled to end.....so FU.... STFU until you learn to read
 
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