What exactly is the argument for NOT drilling?

Dixie said:
Too freakin funny! So basically, what I am hearing is, the liberals don't really have any valid reason for opposing domestic drilling, other than to be contrary to conservatives. Aside from that, they will even go so far as to LIE and claim they've never been opposed to drilling, and challenge me to prove them wrong! It's downright MANIC!
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No, there is no valid reason not to drill domestically, just as there is no valid reason not to continue R&D for alt energy.
 
Superfreak said:
No, there is no valid reason not to drill domestically, just as there is no valid reason not to continue R&D for alt energy.
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I think you could make the case that keeping the oil in the ground while using everyone else's oil is sound geopolitical strategery, but I haven't seen anyone make that argument yet.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
well, I'm sorry....but given the unprecedented nature of your revelation I find it a bit difficult to swallow.......perhaps you can point me to any statement you may have made on this board older than say, the last twenty four hours, that would bear out your passion for oil?.....
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He has been stating the same thing for years now.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I think you could make the case that keeping the oil in the ground while using everyone else's oil is sound geopolitical strategery, but I haven't seen anyone make that argument yet.
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There was a time when that was true, but given the length of time to get oil online, it is not prudent to keep waiting. It will be 5-10 years before any new project is online (depending largely on location of oil). We should have an all encompassing effort to reduce foreign energy use. Expanding domestic oil and gas production now is the prudent path to take.
 
Onceler said:
Yeah - that's my read on it, as well. I've seen some arguments against specifics like ANWR & offshore, but rarely.
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There were quite a few on this board that mocked Palin for her 'drill baby drill' line. There have been quite a few liberals on here that continue to object. That said, both you and Rana have been consistent the last several years (at least) with being open to all avenues of reducing foreign energy dependency.
 
bravo said:
Well, that challenge was posted at what...4:40 or so.....its now 11:35 and not one link to a statement any of these pinheads made in the past to '

support the new awakening......so they just can't prove they are not liars.....

certainly the AssWipe can't.....you know, the one that is "not a liberal"......(post 52)

at least they're always good for a laugh.....what a pathetic pwning the AssWipe suffers again.....
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Oncelor and I have had this discussion with others on the board many times. His position has been consistent with regards to being open to drilling and expanding R&D into alt energy. He has stated that repeatedly.
 
Superfreak said:
There was a time when that was true, but given the length of time to get oil online, it is not prudent to keep waiting. It will be 5-10 years before any new project is online (depending largely on location of oil). We should have an all encompassing effort to reduce foreign energy use. Expanding domestic oil and gas production now is the prudent path to take.
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The whole "foreign energy" thing I don't really get. We're never going to be self-sufficient and will always require foreign energy. And that's OK.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
The whole "foreign energy" thing I don't really get. We're never going to be self-sufficient and will always require foreign energy. And that's OK.
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I really disagree w/ that. We can certainly become self-sufficient, and reduce our reliance on foreign sources every step of the way, with expanded drilling as well as more rapid advancement of alternatives.

This should be America's top priority, imo. The benefits to the economy alone would be ridiculous, as well as making the Middle East irrelevant and changing our entire foreign policy.
 
Onceler said:
I really disagree w/ that. We can certainly become self-sufficient, and reduce our reliance on foreign sources every step of the way, with expanded drilling as well as more rapid advancement of alternatives.

This should be America's top priority, imo. The benefits to the economy alone would be ridiculous, as well as making the Middle East irrelevant and changing our entire foreign policy.
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You can really disagree with it all you want, but it's reality.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
The whole "foreign energy" thing I don't really get. We're never going to be self-sufficient and will always require foreign energy. And that's OK.
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1) We can be energy independent. 70% (approx) of our oil consumption is due to transportation. We convert that to Nat gas and that alone will allow us to be energy independent within 10 years (provided we drill our own resources)

2) We can also expand nuclear capacity

3) The reason it matters is because we currently ship about $600 Billion to foreign countries to pay for our oil. Just imagine what would happen if that money stayed in our economy.

4) By increasing worldwide supply, you reduce the cost of fuel etc... relative to where it would have been if supply had not been increased. Lower costs also benefit the economy, both domestically as well as globally
 
Bach-to-Mom promised $2 gas.

Newtzi promised $2.50 gas.

How?

"Drill, Baby, Drill".

It won't work, because if we could magically suck every drop of crude out of the US, it still wouldn't equal our own domestic consumption, and right now we are exporting US oil & fuel to other countries....it's called "the market", which I thought conservatives were aware of.
 
since liberals all love drilling, it's a shame they don't pressure Obama to lift the restrictions on domestic production the way Bush did......so the price of oil could drop dramatically like it did in July, 2008.........don't you think that's a good idea, poster with a name like a badly combed crewcut?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
since liberals all love drilling, it's a shame they don't pressure Obama to lift the restrictions on domestic production the way Bush did......so the price of oil could drop dramatically like it did in July, 2008.........don't you think that's a good idea, poster with a name like a badly combed crewcut?......
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What you seem incapable of understanding is that drilling for new oil takes years if not decades to follow through and become important. If you seriously think that there are wondrous amounts of oil just ripe for the picking then you are seriously deluded. The ANWR for example has only one year of US annual consumption in proven reserves. There may well be much more but it would take at least a decade before any oil was extracted.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
What you seem incapable of understanding is that drilling for new oil takes years if not decades to follow through and become important. If you seriously think that there are wondrous amounts of oil just ripe for the picking then you are seriously deluded. The ANWR for example has only one year of US annual consumption in proven reserves. There may well be much more but it would take at least a decade before any oil was extracted.
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and make the same argument decade after decade.....and it proves true. what if we started drilling 30 years ago?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
What you seem incapable of understanding is that drilling for new oil takes years if not decades to follow through and become important. If you seriously think that there are wondrous amounts of oil just ripe for the picking then you are seriously deluded. The ANWR for example has only one year of US annual consumption in proven reserves. There may well be much more but it would take at least a decade before any oil was extracted.
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1980.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
1990.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
2000.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
2010.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...

by the way, that "one year" business is no longer true....technology has changed....

The United States has the largest known deposits of oil shale in the world, according to the Bureau of Land Management and holds an estimated 2.175 trillion barrels (345.8 km3) of potentially recoverable oil.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_States

that's not even counting the Gulf or Alaska.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
1980.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
1990.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
2000.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
2010.....liberals say, even if you started drilling now it wouldn't decrease the price for ten years...
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Oh man, you are such a fool that I don't even know where to start. There is no doubt that there is significant amounts of oil to be extracted in the US but can you point me to anywhere in the US where it would make any difference to oil prices in the next decade?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
What you seem incapable of understanding is that drilling for new oil takes years if not decades to follow through and become important. If you seriously think that there are wondrous amounts of oil just ripe for the picking then you are seriously deluded. The ANWR for example has only one year of US annual consumption in proven reserves. There may well be much more but it would take at least a decade before any oil was extracted.
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Regardless of how long it takes, what is the argument for NOT doing it? There hasn't been one stated, and that is what we are examining in this thread... why NOT drill in ANWR... regardless of how long or how little.... WHY NOT STILL? We've got reserves in ANWR, also off the coast in California, Florida, South Carolina and the Gulf of Mexico... WHY NOT DRILL? All you want to keep repeating, is reasons it won't be enough, or won't come fast enough, but you still aren't telling me a reason why we shouldn't drill.
 
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