What exactly is the argument for NOT drilling?

The United States consumes about 20 million barrels of oil products per day (bbl/d), according to the Department of Energy [source: DOE].

Of that, almost half is used for motor gasoline. The rest is used for distillate fuel oil, jet fuel, residual fuel and other oils. Each barrel of oil contains 42 gallons (159 L), which yields 19 to 20 gallons (75 L) of gasoline. So, in the United States, something like 178 million gallons of gasoline is consumed every day...

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/gas-price.htm

How much oil do you think "Obama" is "restricting"?

Cite the source of your assertion.
 
How much oil do you think "Obama" is "restricting"?

Cite the source of your assertion.

February 4, 2009: On the 16th day of the Obama Presidency, his Interior Secretary withdrew 77 oil and natural gas leases on federal land that had been put out to bid two months earlier.

February 10, 2009: Interior Secretary Salazar announced a delay in implementing a five-year plan for oil exploration and development on the outer Continental Shelf. The Interior Dept. had been working on the plan for several years and had finalized it only a few weeks earlier.

February 25, 2009: Interior Secretary Salazar ordered a delay in oil shale research, demonstration, and development (RD&D) leases that would help advance American technology and create high-tech jobs in Colorado, Wyoming and Utah. Private companies were ready to invest their own resources until the government blocked the project.

October, 2009: In a “final report” Secretary Salazar reissued only seven of the 77 oil and gas leases that were withdrawn on February 3.

August, 2009: Congress passed new law to close 1.2 million acres of the Wyoming Mountain Range to oil exploration and drilling.

September, 2009: Secretary Salazar extends for at least three more years a de facto ban on off shore drilling.

October, 2009: Secretary Salazar imposed new restrictions and barriers on extracting oil and natural gas from shale.

January, 2010: Secretary Salazar announced indefinite delay and possible cancellation of previously approved oil and gas leases off the coast of Virginia, over the objection of Virginia’s governor.

February, 2010: The new Obama budget calls for $40 billion in tax and fee increases on domestic oil producers.

March, 2010: Secretary Salazar withdrew 61 previously approved oil and gas leases in Montana.

March, 2010: Secretary Salazar withdrew 4,400 acres in Monongahela National Forest from a previously approved oil and gas leas sale.

December, 2010: Secretary Salazar reinstated a moratorium on offshore drilling, placing the entire Pacific, the entire Atlantic, the Eastern Gulf and parts of Alaska off limits to exploration and drilling for oil or natural gas.

http://libertyworks.com/gas-price-deception/
 
Crude-oil production? Down from 739 million barrels to 646 million barrels in FY 2011.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/293916/salazar-lied-about-oil-production-federal-lands

and....

In his 2012 State of the Union Address, President Obama said that “American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years.”

But on Wednesday, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service released a new report that finds that the overwhelming majority—96 percent—of the increase came from land not owned by the federal government.

In 2011, oil production on federal lands declined by an average of 275,000 barrels per day, whereas production on non-federal lands increased by 395,000 barrels per day. The CRS's analysis aligns with that of the Energy Information Administration, which found that oil production on federal lands dropped 14 percent in 2011.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/22/report-oil-production-on-federal-lands-dropped-275000-barrels-a-day-in-2011
 
What you seem incapable of understanding is that drilling for new oil takes years if not decades to follow through and become important. If you seriously think that there are wondrous amounts of oil just ripe for the picking then you are seriously deluded. The ANWR for example has only one year of US annual consumption in proven reserves. There may well be much more but it would take at least a decade before any oil was extracted.

Which is precisely what they said a decade ago.
 
I am not against the drilling of oil per se, but it needs to be pointed out that it won't make little, if indeed any difference to the domestic price at the pumps. I am just trying to inject some semblance of reality to this debate.

Except that you are not. Increasing supply, which if we drill all locations and expand exploration would reduce the price relative to where it otherwise would be. A massive effort being undertaken today will affect the current price of oil as it is based on current supply and demand as well as speculation on future supply and demand.
 
Except that you are not. Increasing supply, which if we drill all locations and expand exploration would reduce the price relative to where it otherwise would be. A massive effort being undertaken today will affect the current price of oil as it is based on current supply and demand as well as speculation on future supply and demand.


Assuming OPEC and large oil producing countries continued production at their current levels, which isn't really a safe assumption to make.
 
Assuming OPEC and large oil producing countries continued production at their current levels, which isn't really a safe assumption to make.

If all other things are equal it will. Obviously if someone else reduces supply then the equation again changes. The point is that we (note I used bold for emphasis since caps sends you into a panty twisted rage) would control more of the world supply. Thus the actions taken by OPEC would have less of an impact. Given that the bulk of many oil producing countries economies are reliant upon said production, they can only cut so far.

If we take the actions I listed above and put them into motion the price of oil is coming down, regardless of how much they cut production.
 
If all other things are equal it will. Obviously if someone else reduces supply then the equation again changes. The point is that we (note I used bold for emphasis since caps sends you into a panty twisted rage) would control more of the world supply. Thus the actions taken by OPEC would have less of an impact. Given that the bulk of many oil producing countries economies are reliant upon said production, they can only cut so far.

OPEC controls and will control a whole hell of a lot more of the world supply than we can produce. We would obviously control more of the world supply, but it would still be a very small amount. And given that cutting supply means that they can earn the same amount of money by producing less oil (supply goes down, prices go up) it makes good sense for them to cut supply, albeit within reason.

If we take the actions I listed above and put them into motion the price of oil is coming down, regardless of how much they cut production.

I didn't see the actions you listed, but assuming you include a hearty dose of demand reduction, then yes. Supply solutions aren't themselves all that effective.
 
OPEC controls and will control a whole hell of a lot more of the world supply than we can produce. We would obviously control more of the world supply, but it would still be a very small amount. And given that cutting supply means that they can earn the same amount of money by producing less oil (supply goes down, prices go up) it makes good sense for them to cut supply, albeit within reason.

If they see a large amount of oil or replacement energy coming on line in the future, it wouldn't make sense to cut much production today at higher prices. The Baakan formation as of early 2011 was producing a half million brls/day. (about 5% of our daily use) That was just one of the recent finds. The shale oil is probably 15 years in the future, but that could produce 800b brls with today's tech. Those are just the onshore finds. We haven't done a survey of the gulf or coastal waters in decades. Tech today would likely make other finds. (provided we don't let Cuba and others get there first because we are scared too)

I didn't see the actions you listed, but assuming you include a hearty dose of demand reduction, then yes. Supply solutions aren't themselves all that effective.

Basically a full scale assault on oil:

1) Transportation accounts for about 70% of oil consumption. National initiative to convert our transportation over to nat gas. The tech exists today to convert most of it. We just need the infrastructure in place to support it. Oddly enough, we have a lot of people looking for jobs.

2) Drill our sites for oil and nat gas. Expand our exploration efforts along our coasts.

3) expand R&D into alt energy sources. First replace grain based biofuels with algae based. Not going to have an impact on oil prices, but will on food prices and will expose people to that source. Solar, Nuclear etc... expand.
 
OPEC controls and will control a whole hell of a lot more of the world supply than we can produce. We would obviously control more of the world supply, but it would still be a very small amount. And given that cutting supply means that they can earn the same amount of money by producing less oil (supply goes down, prices go up) it makes good sense for them to cut supply, albeit within reason.

Let's clarify what OPEC is, the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. It is a handful of very important oil producers, no doubt, but they do not control all the world's oil resources, or supply. The LESS domestic production we have, the MORE we rely on OPEC and others, for our foreign oil supply. The MORE domestic production we have, the LESS we rely on OPEC and others for our supply. There is no unwritten law or mandate that we purchase oil from OPEC nations, or from the World Oil Market for that matter. But we can't buy oil that hasn't been drilled for and pumped out of the ground yet, and since we need oil now and not 10 years from now, we are having to buy plenty of oil from OPEC. Now, in the past, this hasn't been a real big deal, because OPEC is predominately the Saudis, and they are our allies because we protect the House of Saud. However, in recent years, radical Islam has taken control of power in places like Iran, commies have taken power in Venezuela, and the Saudis are caught in the middle of all this, with regard to oil production. They have only one vote in OPEC, and so OPEC has pretty much taken a steamy dump on the US with regard to production, which has effected price because we depend on the oil from OPEC.

The ONLY solution to this problem, is to increase our domestic production to offset the amount of oil we are importing from OPEC. Surprisingly, that is not where we get most of our foreign oil. The two top foreign suppliers to the US are Mexico and Canada. I'm not sure what percentage of our foreign imports are from OPEC, but it seems like it would be reasonable to think we could probably increase domestic production enough to offset that, at least. See... we really do need to remove the grip OPEC has on our nads at this time. Not just from a "cost of gas" standpoint, but a national security standpoint as well. Why is our money going to fund despots and terrorism, when it could be going to newly-employed American oil industry workers?

I didn't see the actions you listed, but assuming you include a hearty dose of demand reduction, then yes. Supply solutions aren't themselves all that effective.

Here is the problem with SF's actions (from earlier posts), he wants us to convert transportation to natural gas, and I agree that would be a great thing to do, and it would make us independent of foreign oil, but it's a bit 'Pollyannish' to think "we" can do this... there are hundreds of entities who need to be on board and on the same page with the idea, and that isn't reality. "WE" have people who are deeply invested in oil and gas, many of whom, have no interest in seeing us do this massive conversion to natural gas, and would fight it every step of the way. The only way to get to where SF needs us to be, would be through a governmental mandate, telling us what we can drive, what fuel we WILL use, what WILL be made available and what WON'T. I had rather have free market capitalism play a role instead.

Offer incentives, research grants, whatever... get the oil companies (who also have the natural gas) to work in conjunction with the transportation industry, both manufacturers of, and users of... to develop a "Road to.." plan, with a reasonable target date, etc.. Government can convert all government vehicles to natural gas.... that step alone, would motivate transportation manufacturers to develop a natural gas line for the public. Suddenly, you will begin to see the Camry NG Edition... Major oil companies would begin having NG fueling stations available... and perhaps because of government incentives, the price of NG would be so low, people would flock to the alternative? This would probably take 10 years or less to do, if we were aggressive. The thing is, ANY change like this is going to be complicated, and there are going to people opposed to it, protesting against it, no matter how good and well thought out the plan is. We should all be adult enough to understand, we can't even come to agreement on drilling for more oil, how the hell are we all going to come together in agreement on the grand national conversion? It's just not realistic.
 
we can't even come to agreement on drilling for more oil, how the hell are we all going to come together in agreement on the grand national conversion? It's just not realistic.

Oh yeah... I forgot to mention... How are we going to get the natural gas if we don't drill???
 
LOL, we are drilling, Dix-lie.

Who says we aren't?

This says we are:

ftp://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/natural_gas/analysis_publications/maps/maps.htm

Look you fucktard, no one has said that we aren't drilling. We are drilling, and an argument can be made our output is greater than it was 5 years ago, since Bush opened up drilling when he was president. But the current president is NOT drilling! We have all these wells which are producing, which have been drilled all along, but NEW wells are few and far between, because this administration has blocked every attempt to drill more. In 5 years, when it is time for this current president's oil to come online, it won't be there, because we aren't drilling new wells, idiot!

So... NO we're fucking NOT drilling more, retard. We are drilling considerably less, about 400% less than under Bush, and in a few years, it will result in a huge DECLINE in oil production, as the current wells tap out and there is nothing to replace them with, because we haven't drilled!
 
Well I would just say, if the left hasn't been opposed to drilling, I don't understand the problem, why aren't we drilling? Are you trying to say it's Republican's fault we aren't drilling? Maybe they are all just lying to us, making us believe it is you liberals who oppose it, while all along, it's really the republicans who don't want to drill?


You claim "liberals" had posted "thread after thread defiantly refusing to budge on drilling more domestic oil," and can't produce a single example.

Why is that?
 
You claim "liberals" had posted "thread after thread defiantly refusing to budge on drilling more domestic oil," and can't produce a single example.

Why is that?

Look idiot, if you aren't aware of the 500-something threads you've started which certainly aren't "pro-drilling" there isn't anything I can do for you.

If you want to remain in this ridiculous delusional fantasy that the left has always been for more drilling, be my guest, but I don't think it will fly with the typical American voter, you just look like a stupid idiot who says one thing one minute and another the next... no telling what is about to come out of your idiot mouth at any given moment... maybe something you opposed 5 mins ago, who fucking knows?
 
Look idiot, if you aren't aware of the 500-something threads you've started which certainly aren't "pro-drilling" there isn't anything I can do for you.

There is something you can do.

Link up to "thread after thread" you claim "liberals" posted "defiantly refusing to budge on drilling more domestic oil".

You made the claim. Back it up, or admit you lied.
 
There is something you can do.

Link up to "thread after thread" you claim "liberals" posted "defiantly refusing to budge on drilling more domestic oil".

You made the claim. Back it up, or admit you lied.

This is how it works here with me, I post what I post. I don't care if you want to play your silly "cite" game, I am not playing. Google Chrome has a nice little feature where you can do a Google search on any highlighted text, so just highlight things I say and search your own resources, I don't need to do that for you, I am not going to do that for you. I already know this stuff is true, you want to prove it a lie, YOU post a fucking link!

What you and Sapped need to get through your pinhead brain is, I am not Yurt or PmP or SF... can't make Dixie dance and sing for you... I really don't fucking care what you want, puke... the second you demanded I post a link, was the second you guaranteed I wouldn't be doing so. You want links, go find links, otherwise, have a big tall glass of STFU!
 
What you and Sapped need to get through your pinhead brain is, I am not Yurt or PmP or SF... can't make Dixie dance and sing for you...

um , actually, I'm making him dance......he's like a puppy......if you hold a treat over his head he repeats himself and rolls over.....(don't tell him but I'm still working on "Play dead").....
 
This is how it works here with me, I post what I post. I don't care if you want to play your silly "cite" game, I am not playing. Google Chrome has a nice little feature where you can do a Google search on any highlighted text, so just highlight things I say and search your own resources, I don't need to do that for you, I am not going to do that for you. I already know this stuff is true, you want to prove it a lie, YOU post a fucking link! What you and Sapped need to get through your pinhead brain is, I am not Yurt or PmP or SF... can't make Dixie dance and sing for you... I really don't fucking care what you want, puke... the second you demanded I post a link, was the second you guaranteed I wouldn't be doing so. You want links, go find links, otherwise, have a big tall glass of STFU!

LOL, Dixie lied when he posted the OP.

Okay, I have read through thread after thread of idiot liberals defiantly refusing to budge on drilling more domestic oil....

Where are these threads?
 
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