GM to build 2013 Cadillac XTS in China

Superfreak said:
half assed innuendo? Do elaborate.

You both are being entirely hypocritical, expounding on the economic reasons GM decided to manufacture there rather than in the US only to then criticize other companies (and call them traitors) for doing the exact same thing.
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You really don't see the difference between (1) basing manufacturing in China for products intended for the Chinese market while keeping manufacturing of the same product intended for the North American market in North America and (2) from moving all manufacturing of a product to China for product for all markets? Or are you just being obtuse?
 
Superfreak said:
half assed innuendo? Do elaborate.

You both are being entirely hypocritical, expounding on the economic reasons GM decided to manufacture there rather than in the US only to then criticize other companies (and call them traitors) for doing the exact same thing.
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No, you are being dishonest. In order for your scenario to be applicable, GM would need to be capable of building cars in the US, shipping them to China, paying a 30% import tarrif and then sell them for prices competitvie with those built in China by Chinese. We all know that is impossible.
 
Simpleton said:
Stop chasing your tail and the circular motion will also cease. There is no difference between GM outsourcing jobs for economic reasons than other companies doing the same thing. You and dune just wish to pretend there is.
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You are a freaking liar, trying to compare cocanuts to cranberries.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
You really don't see the difference between (1) basing manufacturing in China for products intended for the Chinese market while keeping manufacturing of the same product intended for the North American market in North America and (2) from moving all manufacturing of a product to China for product for all markets? Or are you just being obtuse?
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yet another liberal with the same nonsense. Both are done for economic reasons. There is no difference. Do you understand that or are you just being obtuse?
 
Rune said:
No, you are being dishonest. In order for your scenario to be applicable, GM would need to be capable of building cars in the US, shipping them to China, paying a 30% import tarrif and then sell them for prices competitvie with those built in China by Chinese. We all know that is impossible.
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The costs of goods decreases on almost any product manufactured in China vs. in the US. The same holds true for textiles etc... they are going to be produced in the location that has the greatest cost benefit to the company. No matter what the product. If the combined costs of production and shipping to the end user is cheaper to build in China, the goods will be made there. If the combined costs are cheaper in the US, the goods will be made here. You seem to think only GM is allowed to compare the economic benefit of where to produce. You do realize that companies that outsource do so because their total costs decline, even if they have to ship the goods back to the US for sale?
 
Superfreak said:
yet another liberal with the same nonsense. Both are done for economic reasons. There is no difference. Do you understand that or are you just being obtuse?
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That's a pretty weak argument, SF.

Basically, the options are to manufacture cars in China to sell in China or to not sell cars in China. There's doesn't seem to be a viable option to manufacture cars in North America to sell in China.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
That's a pretty weak argument, SF.

Basically, the options are to manufacture cars in China to sell in China or to not sell cars in China. There's doesn't seem to be a viable option to manufacture cars in North America to sell in China.
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The above is quite pathetic Dung. As I stated, the costs of production and getting the goods to the end user is a part of every decision on where to locate manufacturing. The above is the same as someone making a shirt in China. The costs to produce that same shirt in the US is going to be considerably higher and would result in a higher cost to consumers. Meaning less sales. The same holds true for GM making cars in the US and shipping them to China. It will drastically hurt their sales. For some reason you all see the economic benefit for GM and yet seem oblivious to the fact that other companies do the same thing. They don't produce in China or other locations outside of the US because they just want to. They do it for the reduction in costs.
 
Superfreak said:
The above is quite pathetic Dung. As I stated, the costs of production and getting the goods to the end user is a part of every decision on where to locate manufacturing. The above is the same as someone making a shirt in China. The costs to produce that same shirt in the US is going to be considerably higher and would result in a higher cost to consumers. Meaning less sales. The same holds true for GM making cars in the US and shipping them to China. It will drastically hurt their sales. For some reason you all see the economic benefit for GM and yet seem oblivious to the fact that other companies do the same thing. They don't produce in China or other locations outside of the US because they just want to. They do it for the reduction in costs.
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I don't think outsourcing jobs now in the US is the same thing as opening up in a new market and using local labor where the company could not enter that market using US-based labor.
 
Supershill said:
Then by all means, show us one company that has outsourced jobs that has not done so for the economic benefits.
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What part of not the same thing do you not understand?
Don't worry about responding if you can't come up with an answer, your shill powers are off today.
 
Superfreak said:
Then by all means, show us one company that has outsourced jobs that has not done so for the economic benefits.
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I'm not disputing that companies outsource jobs because it reduces labor costs. I just refuse to accept your premise that all actions done for economic reasons are the same. They aren't.
 
Rune said:
What part of not the same thing do you not understand?
Don't worry about responding if you can't come up with an answer, your shill powers are off today.
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The part where you think they aren't the same thing. I understand they make different products. How about you tell us which company is not producing goods overseas due to economic benefits?
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I'm not disputing that companies outsource jobs because it reduces labor costs. I just refuse to accept your premise that all actions done for economic reasons are the same. They aren't.
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They are all done for the same reason. It reduces costs (not just labor). If it is ok for GM to do it, it is ok for all companies to do it.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I'm not disputing that companies outsource jobs because it reduces labor costs. I just refuse to accept your premise that all actions done for economic reasons are the same. They aren't.
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Also I am not saying that all actions are the same. I am saying that all of the outsourcing is done because of economic reasons. They are not doing it for shits and giggles.
 
Superfreak said:
They are all done for the same reason. It reduces costs (not just labor). If it is ok for GM to do it, it is ok for all companies to do it.
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Again, I disagree that the "it" the GM is doing is the same "it" as a company that outsources it's US-based manufacturing is doing.

I agree not to criticize any US company that wants to enter the Chinese market and that uses Chinese labor to make products for the Chinese market while the company retains its North American labor force for products intended for the North American market.
 
Superfreak said:
Also I am not saying that all actions are the same. I am saying that all of the outsourcing is done because of economic reasons. They are not doing it for shits and giggles.
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You said there was no difference between the two. That's what started this whole discussion.
 
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