Litmus
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...and the solution is tariffs so those jobs and production capacities stay here.
Yes To Massive Tariffs! Fuck yes.
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You type the dumbest shit. Consumers pay tariffs. That is a fact. Trump. 's tariff plan will cost Americans 4 K a year. I tried to help you but you mix obdurance and stupidity so well.And government do tariffs, nordberg!
are you dumb?
you're a fool expecting CEOs to do it in the first place.
Daylight63
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I am utterly fascinated by how the MAGA crowd seems incapable of understanding how pricing works. If a company makes a widget and sells it for $5 and then the president throws $5 tariff on the widget, where do the MAGA folks think the other $5 is going to come from? Out of the CEO's pay? LOL.
Daylight63
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This is a great ideal and a wonderful dream. But, unfortunately it will never come to pass. First off even IF corporations balked at the tariffs and moved their manufacturing back to the US it would take a couple of years MINIMUM for that to happen. Along with MASSIVE costs to that company which they will be obligated to pass onto YOU the consumer. (companies don't "pay" tariffs....they add them to the cost YOU pay...that's how corporations work. It is how they have always worked and how they will forever work)
Secondly: Once back on US soil the company will be held to higher standards of employee treatment, safety and environmental oversight because we Americans have consistently demanded it. It's kinda why it's good to be in America (which is why the CEO's that offshored the jobs to China never move to China THEMSELVES but stay here in comfortable America). That will also significantly raise the cost of goods. But on the other hand more Americans will be employed.
You, the consumer, will buy less because it's more expensive now because it is an all-American workforce who will not work for pennies a day. And then a few years down the pike when the tariffs are repealed some clever businessman will think "Hey! It's cheaper to make this stuff in China using prison labor for pennies a day and no health and safety costs" so the cycle will begin all over again.
Remember: we USED to make all our stuff domestically. And at some point the businessmen figured out this dodge. And cheap labor will always be an attractive thing for a manufacturer with their eye on the bottom line.
Litmus
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of course it will.
good things take time.
and cheap goods means little when all the jobs are gone.
globalization is a race to the bottom.
thus you stand fully refuted and proven wrong.
Litmus
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Daylight63
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OK. I suspect your victories are largely imaginary if you think that corporations won't immediately pass on the cost of a tariff. Have you ever met a businessperson?
Litmus
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domestically produced items have no tariffs.
this will incentivize domestic production.
it's like you don't get the point.
if you think about it long enough you will realize globalism is internationalist fascism and you will stop being dumb.
but are you thoughtful?
take time to answer.
Daylight63
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I get the point, obviously. Which is why I wrote all the stuff about how this isn't necessarily going to work as you think it does.
Litmus
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Daylight63
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Oh I know tariffs are commonly used. But it's more of a surgical instrument for pressure. An across the board tariff on all goods coming in from outside is not going to work the same way.
May I ask a couple of questions about your scenario?
1. How quickly and how expensive will it be to bring the manufacturing back home?
2. Do you think the use of American labor (paid a good living wage like we like) will not dramatically increase the prices?
3. Who do you think actually PAYS the tariff.
Litmus
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we're using them to seriously repatriate massive jobs and industries.
tariffs are only on imports.
buy American.
Daylight63
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But you didn't answer the questions. Is it because it shows the potential holes in the theory?
Litmus
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what question?
your questions are largely irrelevant, niggling stupidities which doesn't counter-prove the value of tariffs in any way.
cawacko
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Why did Biden basically keep all the Trump tariffs? Why did Biden add additional tariffs? Why do so many unions support the tariffs? Has Harris said anything about removing the tariffs?
(these questions aren't a defense of tariffs or Trump)
Daylight63
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So the actual economics of implementation, the real world economics of how this is paid for and how pricing relates to op ex is "niggling stupidity"? That's a novel approach. You won't be getting a job in a corporation in the business end of things anytime soon I suspect.
Litmus
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yes.
So the actual economics of implementation, the real world economics of how this is paid for and how pricing relates to op ex is "niggling stupidity"? That's a novel approach. You won't be getting a job in a corporation in the business end of things anytime soon I suspect.
all these questions are irrelevant and stupid.
self reliance and self determination are important beyond estimates of monetary costs.
Litmus
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cool. you do understand.
Litmus
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yes.
So the actual economics of implementation, the real world economics of how this is paid for and how pricing relates to op ex is "niggling stupidity"? That's a novel approach. You won't be getting a job in a corporation in the business end of things anytime soon I suspect.
it's niggling stupidity relativ to the the importance of self reliance and keeping american money in America.