118 visits to WH

maineman said:
the question is woefully inadequate. If it were adequate, it would be anything but simple.
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Simple is all you will ever get from ILA, black and white, concrete and simple. That is why he is a conservatard, like Bravo and Damned Yankee.
 
maineman said:
I inderstand that is what you would like. The reality is... there is no requirement for the executive branch to provide e details of meetings between their employees to private citizens simply because they would like to know about them.
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True, there is no requirement of them to do so. However, when and official violates the rights of others, you would think the 'most transparent and open' administration would disclose such information.
 
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Superfreak said:
True, there is no requirement of them to do so. However, when and official violates the rights of others, you would think the 'most transparent and open' administration would disclose such information.
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that's apparently what YOU would think. I, on the other hand, don't think that way at all. Sorry. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
Damocles said:
Wow, the Gibson Guitar raid was discussed here.
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Which I debunked. Your point is?


Superfreak said:
Which is precisely what NO ONE has stated. The point is that in 118 times... I find it hard to believe there wasn't ONE time that was brought up.
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I had this one right from the beginning, as usual. Poor SF, foiled again!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-irs-commissioner-and-the-white-house/276399/

The latest twist in the conservative effort to tie the IRS tax-exempt targeting scandal to the president is to focus on public visitor records released by the White House, in which former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman's name appears 157 times between 2009 and 2012. Unfortunately, few of those pushing this line have bothered to read more than the topline of that public information. Bill O'Reilly on Thursday called them the "smoking gun" and demanded of Shulman, "You must explain under oath what you were doing at the White House on 157 separate occasions." His statement built on a Daily Caller story, "IRS's Shulman had more public White House visits than any Cabinet member." An Investors Business Daily story and slew of blog items repeated the charges.

"The alibi the White House has wedded itself to is that it had to work closely with the IRS to implement ObamaCare," the Investor's Business Daily has written -- as if that were not true.

And yet the public meeting schedules available for review to any media outlet show that very thing: Shulman was cleared primarily to meet with administration staffers involved in implementation of the health-care reform bill. He was cleared 40 times to meet with Obama's director of the Office of Health Reform, and a further 80 times for the biweekly health reform deputies meetings and others set up by aides involved with the health-care law implementation efforts. That's 76 percent of his planned White House visits just there, before you even add in all the meetings with Office of Management and Budget personnel also involved in health reform.

Complicating the picture is the fact that just because a meeting was scheduled and Shulman was cleared to attend it does not mean that he actually went. Routine events like the biweekly health-care deputies meeting would have had a standing list of people cleared to attend, people whose White House appointments would have been logged and forwarded to the check-in gate. But there is no time of arrival information in the records to confirm that Shulman actually signed in and went to these standing meetings.

Indeed, of the 157 events Shulman was cleared to attend, White House records only provide time of arrival information -- confirming that he actually went to them -- for 11 events over the 2009-2012 period, and time of departure information for only six appointments. According to the White House records, Shulman signed in twice in 2009, five times in 2010, twice in 2011, and twice in 2012. That does not mean that he did not go to other meetings, only that the White House records do not show he went to the 157 meetings he was granted Secret Service clearance to attend.
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Poor SF...that little ol' hard on reduced to nothin'...
 
A perfect summation from Steve Benen:

So, Shulman, the Bush-appointed head of the IRS, was cleared to attend 157 gatherings at the White House. How many did he actually attend? Eleven. The former IRS commissioner attended 11 events at the White House over the course of three years. Why is that interesting? It's not.

To borrow a phrase, this isn't a smoking gun; it isn't even a lukewarm slingshot.

I'd really hoped Republican media would know better by now. Not only is it silly to think the White House would conspire with the Bush-appointed head of the IRS to add scrutiny to Tea Partiers seeking tax-exempt status, but as long-time readers may recall, conservative media outlets have been tripped up by the White House visitor logs before, too.
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There's no smoking gun; there's no burgeoning presidential scandal; there's no point to the usual suspects waiting for a new Watergate to emerge. The right is just embarrassing itself at this point.
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this isn't a smoking gun; it isn't even a lukewarm slingshot.

Perfect descriptor of 99,95% of all SimpleFreak's anti Obama threads.
 
Looks like the Republican Leadership disagrees that Supercandy's bombshell is evidence that the white house knew anything.
 
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