1st Amendment!

Why would I need a case? It's on your money, man.

You are the lawyer and don't know of this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103424

Newdow’s latest lawsuit came five days after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected, without comment, a challenge to an inscription of “In God We Trust” on a North Carolina county government building.

In doing so, the justices upheld the Richmond, Va.-based 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled that “In God We Trust” appears on the nation’s coins and is a national motto.

“In this situation, the reasonable observer must be deemed aware of the patriotic uses, both historical and present, of the phrase ‘In God We Trust,”’ the appeals panel ruled in upholding the inscription’s display.
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Do you belive Damo, that an ardent athist should be in a position to have the coinage of his nation, (that is prohibited from promoting religen) and to have his national motto read, "In God we trust". If thats not promoting religen I dont know what is!

What about people who ardently belive in multipule Gods?

The government should just stay out of this. A motto promotes a belife!

Your Government should not be saying for you, that you trust in God.
 
Jarod said:
Do you belive Damo, that an ardent athist should be in a position to have the coinage of his nation, (that is prohibited from promoting religen) and to have his national motto read, "In God we trust". If thats not promoting religen I dont know what is!

What about people who ardently belive in multipule Gods?

The government should just stay out of this. A motto promotes a belife!

Your Government should not be saying for you, that you trust in God.
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I don't think it promotes anything. It would be like some other person saying the E. Pluribus Unim motto promoted Communism or Collectivism.

If you don't believe it, it does not harm you to read it, nor does it promote any single religion over another. I do not feel pushed to believe in God because of the motto. I think it is a silly and overblown self centeredness that makes a person think that such is the case. The motto doesn't make you do anything at all.
 
Damocles said:
I don't think it promotes anything. It would be like some other person saying the E. Pluribus Unim motto promoted Communism or Collectivism.

If you don't believe it, it does not harm you to read it, nor does it promote any single religion over another. I do not feel pushed to believe in God because of the motto. I think it is a silly and overblown self centeredness that makes a person think that such is the case. The motto doesn't make you do anything at all.
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Well then we simply disagree on the intent of a Motto. If you truely do not belive that a motto is not to promote something then you are correct, the statement is not violative of the 1st.

I personally belive a motto is an attempt to express a guiding principal, and to promote trust in God as a guiding principal, to me is promoting the establishment of belife in religen over non-belife. To promote belive in Religen over non-belife in Religen is, to me, the crux of what is prohibited by the first part of the First Amendment. Regardless of what the Supreme Court may say.
 
Jarod said:
Well then we simply disagree on the intent of a Motto. If you truely do not belive that a motto is not to promote something then you are correct, the statement is not violative of the 1st.

I personally belive a motto is an attempt to express a guiding principal, and to promote trust in God as a guiding principal, to me is promoting the establishment of belife in religen over non-belife. To promote belive in Religen over non-belife in Religen is, to me, the crux of what is prohibited by the first part of the First Amendment. Regardless of what the Supreme Court may say.
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Nah, the motto is just something people occasionally notice on the money. There is no drive to make me do anything because of this motto, your thoughts on the matter notwithstanding, I have never once been told that because it is on the money I must believe in God.
 
Damocles said:
Nah, the motto is just something people occasionally notice on the money. There is no drive to make me do anything because of this motto, your thoughts on the matter notwithstanding, I have never once been told that because it is on the money I must believe in God.
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So the flip would not bother you, if the motto said, "In NO God do we trust"?
 
Jarod said:
Good then you are intelectually honest. Do you think Canidate Romney would?
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Probably. And he isn't the candidate until he has received the nomination. A more accurate description would be "potential candidate" or "candidate for the nomination".

Attempting to give him more official standing than he has is a mistake.

But what would it matter? Clearly you give it that same power. So long as I am not punished for believing as I do, nor am I pushed to believe as they do, I don't really care what the motto is. It holds no power over me, any more than how Venezuela votes does.
 
Damocles said:
Probably. And he isn't the candidate until he has received the nomination. A more accurate description would be "potential candidate" or "candidate for the nomination".

Attempting to give him more official standing than he has is a mistake.

But what would it matter? Clearly you give it that same power. So long as I am not punished for believing as I do, nor am I pushed to believe as they do, I don't really care what the motto is. It holds no power over me, any more than how Venezuela votes does.
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I belve that "respecting the establishment of religen" is short of punishing people for believeing differently than you.
 
Jarod said:
I belve that "respecting the establishment of religen" is short of punishing people for believeing differently than you.
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In order to establish a religion I would necessarily be punished, whether directly or indirectly. In this case there is no such reality. The reality is it does not establish a religion to mention a generic "God" in a motto.
 
Damocles said:
In order to establish a religion I would necessarily be punished, whether directly or indirectly. In this case there is no such reality. The reality is it does not establish a religion to mention a generic "God" in a motto.
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I disagree, you can respect the establishment of religen by funding it and or promoting it without punishing people for refusing to follow it.
 
Jarod said:
I disagree, you can respect the establishment of religen by funding it and or promoting it without punishing people for refusing to follow it.
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You keep ignoring the first part "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Which establishment of religion exactly is it that follows the generic "God" in the motto?
 
Damocles said:
You keep ignoring the first part "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Which establishment of religion exactly is it that follows the generic "God" in the motto?
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All of those that respect a single God, and Religen in general over non-religen.
 
Jarod said:
All of those that respect a single God, and Religen in general over non-religen.
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Rubbish. It is generic, even those with multi gods could picture any they wished in there. Even those who think it is imaginary can simply disregard it. There is no establishment of religion that is respected in that particular motto.
 
Damocles said:
Rubbish. It is generic, even those with multi gods could picture any they wished in there. Even those who think it is imaginary can simply disregard it. There is no establishment of religion that is respected in that particular motto.
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I belive it respects the establishment of monothestic religen.

Sure you can ignore it, but the intent is clear, no matter how bad you want to ignore it.
 
Jarod said:
All of those that respect a single God, and Religen in general over non-religen.
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Have you started the campaign to start tearing down Congress and the Supreme Court buildings yet? How about the Lincoln Memorial? Those are public buildings that have the word God on them. Shouldn't we act now to destroy those buildings that our founders built?
 
Jarod said:
I belive it respects the establishment of monothestic religen.

Sure you can ignore it, but the intent is clear, no matter how bad you want to ignore it.
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And that is an opinion. I think we waste good money and energy that we could spend on more worthwhile issues that actually have something to do with a right that might be curtailed than worrying about a generic word in a motto that establishes or respects nothing at all.
 
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