2016 was the Last Election for White America

Woko Haram said:
I wouldn't endorse anything with "La Raza" in the name, given that it usually refers to a supremist ideology.

A much better replacement would be to dedicate a day to this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomé_de_las_Casas
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"He described the atrocities committed by the colonizers against the indigenous peoples.[2]"

Yeah. let's continue trying to divide people. 'That's the Ticket' as the guy on SNL used to say.

'Dia de La Raza' (Day of the Race) celebrates the co-mingling of the Europeans and the Native People.
Seems more like a 'Unifying' event than a 'Dividing' event.
 
Jack said:
"He described the atrocities committed by the colonizers against the indigenous peoples.[2]"

Yeah. let's continue trying to divide people. 'That's the Ticket' as the guy on SNL used to say.

'Dia de La Raza' (Day of the Race) celebrates the co-mingling of the Europeans and the Native People.
Seems more like a 'Unifying' event than a 'Dividing' event.
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In the American context, "Day of the Race" is more commonly associated with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnidosUS

That group is most certainly supportive of divisiveness.

Some Latin American countries might have a less activist interpretation, but as usual, progressive activists have poisoned the well here.
 
"In English speaking countries, the day is celebrated as Columbus Day or Native American Day. In Spanish speaking countries and communities, it is known as Día de la Raza, the Day of the Race.
Día de la Raza is the celebration of the Hispanic heritage of Latin America and brings into it all the ethnic and cultural influences making it distinctive."
https://www.tripsavvy.com/dia-de-la-raza-1635468

--->"brings into it all the ethnic and cultural influences making it distinctive."<---

I prefer THIS interpretation.



Woko Haram said:
In the American context, "Day of the Race" is more commonly associated with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnidosUS

That group is most certainly supportive of divisiveness.

Some Latin American countries might have a less activist interpretation, but as usual, progressive activists have poisoned the well here.
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Jack said:
"In English speaking countries, the day is celebrated as Columbus Day or Native American Day. In Spanish speaking countries and communities, it is known as Día de la Raza, the Day of the Race.
Día de la Raza is the celebration of the Hispanic heritage of Latin America and brings into it all the ethnic and cultural influences making it distinctive."
https://www.tripsavvy.com/dia-de-la-raza-1635468

--->"brings into it all the ethnic and cultural influences making it distinctive."<---

I prefer THIS interpretation.
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I do as well, but we might need to rename the holiday again in order to avoid the activist baggage.
 
Jack said:
Oh my Dear Welsh friend.
It's the British. It's the British and the Europeans that owe the Compensation. It was your desire for Tea. For Tea and a little Sugar. Tea, Sugar, Silk and fine Porcelain.

"The main European nations involved in slaving were Portugal, Spain, Britain, France, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Britain began large-scale slaving through private trading companies in the 1640s. The London-based Royal African Company was the most important and from 1672 had a monopoly of the British trade. Other merchants who wanted to enter this lucrative trade opposed the monopoly and it was ended in 1698."
https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/history-of-slavery/europe

You just used us as a source of Cotton, like you used China for Tea, and the West Indies for Sugar, and the East Indies for your coveted Pepper. And India for Opium. Nobody wanted your coarse Wool, ... how many Opium Wars did you fight?
Now, because you're Welsh, and seem like a Good Fellow, I could probably find a way to strike YOUR name from the Compensation Fund List if you wanted, voluntarily of course, to send a 'Donation' to:
Postal Box General Delivery New Orleans ___ 'Attention Jack'.
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Don't be bloody ridiculous. The British army had just saved you in a war, and your masters were desperate to avoid paying for any part of it, as you know. Slavers sailed from British ports, but slavery had been illegal in the English bit of Britain since Norman times. We owe you no compensation for anything, obviously, whereas millions are still suffering from the land-robbers and slave-owners crimes over there.

I don't play these games myself - just want to be shot of the whole silly capitalist mess.
 
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Penderyn said:
Don't be bloody ridiculous. The British army had just saved you in a war, and your masters were desperate to avoid paying for any part of it, as you know. Slavers sailed romr British ports, but slavery had been illegal in the English bit of Britain since Norman times. We owe you no compensation for anything, obviously, whereas millions are still suffering from the land-robbers and slave-owners crimes over there.

I don't play these games myself - just want to be shot of the whole silly capitalist mess.
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OMG!
You and your London Merchant friends only wanted to come here and make a Profit.

"Virginia Company, in full Virginia Company of London, also called London Company, commercial trading company, chartered by King James I of England in April 1606 with the object of colonizing the eastern coast of North America between latitudes 34° and 41° N. Its shareholders were Londoners, and it was distinguished from the Plymouth Company, which was chartered at the same time and composed largely of men from Plymouth."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Virginia-Company

"Despite increasing prosperity in Virginia over the following years, the company’s role came under attack as internecine disputes among the shareholders grew and as the king himself became offended both by the trend toward popular government in Virginia and by the colony’s efforts to raise tobacco, a “noisome” product of which he disapproved. A petition submitted to the king, calling for an investigation of conditions in the colony, led to a trial before the King’s Bench in May 1624. The court ruled against the Virginia Company, which was then dissolved, with the result that Virginia was transformed into a royal colony."

How many Shares do you own? How much money did you make? Are you STILL collecting Dividends?
And why oh why do you still defend the Church of England when MY PEOPLE were only trying to Purify it???

"No Cross, No Crown is one of the chief works of William Penn, first published in 1669. It was written during Penn's imprisonment in the Tower of London.[1]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Cross,_No_Crown
 
Jack said:
I think that is the trajectory here in America, which I consider a Good Thing.
PS: I've already endorsed 'Dia de La Raza' as a replacement for 'Columbus Day'.
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That only happened because all Europeans are of the same race. It hasn't happened with people of different races and probably never will.
 
StoneByStone said:
That only happened because all Europeans are of the same race. It hasn't happened with people of different races and probably never will.
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I disagree. I think Asians and Europeans intermarry the most.
I don't know what your view on 'Latinos' is, most of those already have Spanish of Portuguese blood lines, but they marry all the time in the Southwest.
 
Jack said:
I disagree. I think Asians and Europeans intermarry the most.
I don't know what your view on 'Latinos' is, most of those already have Spanish of Portuguese blood lines, but they marry all the time in the Southwest.
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That doesn't mean Asians are assimilating and becoming American. Most of them still see themselves as a people living in America, not as Americans.

Sure, the white Latinos assimilate. And it's the same thing in Latin American countries. Latinos self-segregate based on race.
 
StoneByStone said:
That doesn't mean Asians are assimilating and becoming American. Most of them still see themselves as a people living in America, not as Americans.

Sure, the white Latinos assimilate. And it's the same thing in Latin American countries. Latinos self-segregate based on race.
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Depends where you're from. In California and the West Coast, Asian descendants ARE American. They are part of the History and fabric of the community.
 
Jack said:
Depends where you're from. In California and the West Coast, Asian descendants ARE American. They are part of the History and fabric of the community.
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Yes, they've made great contributions, but they still don't see themselves as America. At most, some of them see themselves as an "Asian-American" ethnicity, still different and distinct from other Americans.
 
StoneByStone said:
That doesn't mean that the communities are assimilating. Usually when people mix, the offspring still identifies as the minority race.
Look at Obama. He had a white mother, but he attended a black liberation church for ten years. Mixing didn't make his bloodline any closer to becoming American.
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:) I look at Obama as being a white guy with black skin. But too your point, I think people arrange themselves more in a economic strata rather than a racial strata.
The mixed-race University grad doesn't migrate to some 'minority group', the mixed-race grad associates herself with other grads.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, they've made great contributions, but they still don't see themselves as America. At most, some of them see themselves as an "Asian-American" ethnicity, still different and distinct from other Americans.
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OK. I'll let you talk for them.
I think it is more like if you and me were talking and I asked you "What are you?"
You wouldn't say "American", because we both know we are American. You would say "Part English, German, and Latvian", are something like that.
 
Jack said:
:) I look at Obama as being a white guy with black skin. But too your point, I think people arrange themselves more in a economic strata rather than a racial strata.
The mixed-race University grad doesn't migrate to some 'minority group', the mixed-race grad associates herself with other grads.
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It's an issue of intersectionality. Class, religion, race, all of these things play a role in how people self-segregate and what political interests they have. In the last election we saw that many working-class white people voted to keep the country from becoming more racially diverse. Economics took a backseat to racial and communal identity.
 
Jack said:
OK. I'll let you talk for them.
I think it is more like if you and me were talking and I asked you "What are you?"
You wouldn't say "American", because we both know we are American. You would say "Part English, German, and Latvian", are something like that.
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But when it comes to political and cultural issues, I think in terms of America. I'm against reparations because it would be bad for the country. Blacks are for reparations because it's become a "black issue." Same with immigration being a brown issue. I also don't self-segregate myself from the majority race here.
 
StoneByStone said:
It's an issue of intersectionality. Class, religion, race, all of these things play a role in how people self-segregate and what political interests they have. In the last election we saw that many working-class white people voted to keep the country from becoming more racially diverse. Economics took a backseat to racial and communal identity.
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You might be right. My view is that the last Election was about the 'Working Class' voting the consequences of Global Capitalism and Technology.
1. The Industrial Manufacturing Base left America and went to Asia. (Meaning 'First World Workers' were replaced with 'Third World Workers')
2. 'Technology' means that ordinary Jobs are being 'automated'. (Like, when you buy gas or groceries, no one needs to be there, you can check yourself out. Think ATMs)

The 'Shareholding Class' (where 'Money' makes money) is doing GREAT. It matters not whether a 'First World Worker', a 'Third World Worker' or 'a Machine', makes the Gizmo. The Shareholding Class is just interested in the Bottom Line (Profit).
The Working Class (doesn't matter upon racial make up) is dependent on WHO makes the Gizmo.
'First World Workers' (American Workers) are losing their livelihood (being able to feed their families) to Machines and Third World Workers.
 
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