2020 confirmed as America’s deadliest gun violence year but RepubliQans don't care

ThatOwlWoman said:
That's true. Nazis hated 'em too, despite the fact that they used the German word for "socialist" in their party's name. Some of our not-so-bright Reichwingers think that this means that Nazi = socialist = liberal = Democrat. :laugh:
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A good point. The Nazis had purged themselves of any leftist members by the early 1920s; the name itself national-socialist was a marketing ploy to appeal electorally to rightwing nationalists and urban lefty working class.

A historical factoid teabaggers maintain ignorance about: the Bolsheviks did nothing to overthrow the conservative, autocratic Tsarist regime. Lenin was not even in the country during the February revolution.

The Bolsheviks violently overthrew a liberal provisional government in the October Revolution and had the liberals rounded up and arrested.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You got that ass backwards.

"82 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and March 2021 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority. Only 16 incidents involved guns that were obtained illegally."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/
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You are cherry picking and being racist. why do you people never want to talk about all shootings, why do you not care about young black men being victims of illegal gun crime?
 
Cypress said:
A good point. The Nazis had purged themselves of any leftist members by the early 1920s; the name itself national-socialist was a marketing ploy to appeal electorally to rightwing nationalists and urban lefty working class.

A historical factoid teabaggers maintain ignorance about: the Bolsheviks did nothing to overthrow the conservative, autocratic Tsarist regime. Lenin was not even in the country during the February revolution.

The Bolsheviks violently overthrew a liberal provisional government in the October Revolution and had the liberals rounded up and arrested.
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It would appear that all fascist authoritarians who support a similar government scheme hate liberals, eh?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It would appear that all fascist authoritarians who support a similar government scheme hate liberals, eh?
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Too right you are.

My take is that fascists hate liberals because liberals elevate civil rights, democracy, and labor rights to a core value.

Marxist-Leninists hate liberals because they percieve liberals being in league with capitalism, see liberals as democracy advocates, and they resent that liberalism is a competing moderate alternative for social reform compared to the hard left brand Lenin was selling
 
Big Money Dolla said:
not an ad hom, you can't dispute my facts. so pick a fight, that's what you do, crybully.
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Wrong again, as always. I disputed your incorrect assertion that most shootings are done with illegal guns, with an actual credible source. Thereupon you said and I quote "You are cherry picking and being racist." Ad hom for the loss.

Now you're doubling-down with the name-calling. This is a political forum, as you've no doubt noticed. Disputing an incorrect statement is what happens here, and is not "picking a fight." Only the insecure and fearful believe that. Maybe you should PM Flaming Capitalist and ask him to thread ban me? :laugh:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Wrong again, as always. I disputed your incorrect assertion that most shootings are done with illegal guns, with an actual credible source. Thereupon you said and I quote "You are cherry picking and being racist." Ad hom for the loss.

Now you're doubling-down with the name-calling. This is a political forum, as you've no doubt noticed. Disputing an incorrect statement is what happens here, and is not "picking a fight." Only the insecure and fearful believe that. Maybe you should PM Flaming Capitalist and ask him to thread ban me? :laugh:
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...egal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/


or these pesky facts...


https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf
„ About 21% of state and 20% of federal prisoners said
they possessed a gun during their offense, while
79% of state and 80% of federal prisoners did not.
„ About 29% of state and 36% of federal prisoners
serving time for a violent offense possessed a gun
during the offense.
„ About 1.3% of prisoners obtained a gun from a retail
source and used it during their offense.
„ Handguns were the most common type of firearm
possessed by state and federal prisoners (18% each);
11% of all prisoners used a handgun.
„ Among prisoners who possessed a gun during their
offense, 90% did not obtain it from a retail source.
„ Among prisoners who possessed a firearm during
their offense, 0.8% obtained it at a gun show.
„ About 1 in 5 state and federal prisoners who
possessed a firearm during their offense obtained it
with the intent to use it during the crime.
„ Among state prisoners who possessed a gun during
their offense, 27% killed someone with it, another
12% injured someone, 7% fired the gun but did not
injure anyone, and 54% did not fire it.
„ State prisoners with no military service were more
likely to possess a gun during their offense (21%) than
prisoners who had served in the military (16%).



Stop whining please, crybully.




I hope you consider these to sources "credible".
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Wrong again, as always. I disputed your incorrect assertion that most shootings are done with illegal guns, with an actual credible source. Thereupon you said and I quote "You are cherry picking and being racist." Ad hom for the loss.

Now you're doubling-down with the name-calling. This is a political forum, as you've no doubt noticed. Disputing an incorrect statement is what happens here, and is not "picking a fight." Only the insecure and fearful believe that. Maybe you should PM Flaming Capitalist and ask him to thread ban me? :laugh:
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how about the wash po?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.




I take your concession.
 
Cypress said:
Too right you are.

My take is that fascists hate liberals because liberals elevate civil rights, democracy, and labor rights to a core value.

Marxist-Leninists hate liberals because they percieve liberals being in league with capitalism, see liberals as democracy advocates, and they resent that liberalism is a competing moderate alternative for social reform compared to the hard left brand Lenin was selling
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Marxists regard capitalism as a system incompatible with human survival, liberalism as its normal ideology (it has to accept fascism, in a crisis, to survive). Lenin was a Russian intellectual whose brother had been murdered by Czarism and was desperate for its overthrow, under whatever name. At that time the Russian working class was, though well placed to overthrow a weak state, a tiny minority, fairly easily controlled, in a crisis, by a totally un-marxist group of professional revolutionaries. Marxists don't 'hate' capitalism and liberalism, which are one of the necessary stages in human evolution - they just think it is time to move on.
 
Trumpet said:
Popeye, probably you should look at yourself before calling others idiot.
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Soiler is blinded by the right. Sad.

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Flaming Capitalist said:
Until two lethal rampages this month, mass shootings had largely been absent from headlines during the coronavirus pandemic.

But people were still dying – at a record rate.

In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.

The vast majority of these tragedies happen far from the glare of the national spotlight, unfolding instead in homes or on city streets and – like the Covid-19 crisis – disproportionately affecting communities of colour.

Last week’s shootings at spas in the Atlanta area and Monday’s shooting at a grocery store in Boulder, Colorado, killed a combined 18 people and rejuvenated a national effort to overhaul gun laws. But high-profile mass shootings such as those tend to overshadow the instances of everyday violence that account for most gun deaths, potentially clouding some people’s understanding of the problem and complicating the country’s response, experts say.

Shooting deaths in 2020 outpaced the next-highest recent year, 2017, by more than 3,600. The rise resembles other alarming trends: last year, the United States saw the highest one-year increase in homicides since it began keeping records, with the country’s largest cities suffering a 30 per cent spike. Gunshot injuries also rose dramatically, to nearly 40,000, over 8,000 more than in 2017.

“More than 100 Americans are killed daily by gun violence,” Ronnie Dunn, a professor of urban studies at Cleveland State University, said, using a figure that includes suicides. “The majority are in black and brown communities. We don’t really focus on gun violence until we have these mass shootings, but it’s an ongoing, chronic problem that affects a significant portion of our society.”

Researchers say the pandemic probably fuelled the increases in several ways. The spread of the coronavirus hampered anti-crime efforts, and the attendant shutdowns compounded unemployment and stress at a time when schools and other community programmes were closed or online. They also note the apparent collapse of public confidence in law enforcement that followed the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.
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24,000 died by sui ide with a gun? I wonder if leftists shutting down the country indefinitely had anything to do with that you dimwitted pig fucking cretin?
 
Cypress said:
Too right you are.

My take is that fascists hate liberals because liberals elevate civil rights, democracy, and labor rights to a core value.

Marxist-Leninists hate liberals because they percieve liberals being in league with capitalism, see liberals as democracy advocates, and they resent that liberalism is a competing moderate alternative for social reform compared to the hard left brand Lenin was selling
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The left hates liberals and conservatives. That would be you dipshit
 
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