4 in 10 now say socialism would be good for US: Gallup poll

Yet those Scandinavian countries that you admire are moving away from the cradle to grave welfare model. There is no way on Earth that the high taxes of Scandinavia would be tolerated in the US, the consensus in Europe is breaking down, due in part to high immigration, and the resultant deliterious effect on the Welfare State and also the postwar consensus is no longer sustainable.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-26/now-even-swedes-are-questioning-the-welfare-state
Paying some of the world’s highest income-tax rates has been the cornerstone of Scandinavia’s social contract, with the political consensus in Sweden to save money for when the economy is less healthy
can you even conceive of US politicans not spending any money that is supposed to be saved? I can't
 
Your obsession with tax rates is obviously related to your lifetime of listening to the propoganda of noted oxycontin drug addict Rush Limbaugh and fellow performers at Faux News.

It is the same money whether you pay it in taxes or pay it directly out of your pocket.

Swedes and Danes pay higher taxes so that their out-of-pocket expenses for health care, child care, day care, et al. is lower or non-existent.

We make the opposite choice, in some ways.

But it is all the same money.

It comes down to a choice. And simply bellowing out "high taxes!" does not cut the mustard, any more than claiming Democrats want to emulate Fidel Castro

You are an idiot.
No it is not the same money. If I don’t have any kids but they are taking money out of my paycheck to pay for day care, how is that the same.

I’m going to work hard to pay for your healthcare and child care?
I have no problem if you want to send me your paycheck to pay for my kids day care. I forgot you don’t work.
In this country hard work is rewarded. Why should I be punished because I’m not as lazy as you.

In this country the people who can afford child care pays for their own child care. Taxpayers subsidize those that can’t afford it.
In this country the people who work can opt to pay for their own healthcare through their employer. The people who don’t work are entitled to taxpayer dollars through Medicaid.
I don’t want to pay for someone’s child care, healthcare or higher education who can already afford it.

You obviously hate the US. Why are you here. Go move to Denmark, Finland or Sweden as you can pay twice as much in taxes to pay for everyone else.

You need a fuckin education.
 
Your obsession with tax rates


Asshole if you are not happy with the current tax rates and you feel you should be paying much more, go write a check to the government. I’m sure they will gladly accept your money. Don’t wait for the jack asses to raise taxes.
 
The hybrid socialist-free market economies of Scandinavia are among most admired socio-economic systems in human history.

Scandinavia; a low population area containing a small homogeneous white population with vast natural resources. And yet, even there social welfare systems are becoming a massive burden.

I am amused that liberals never point to China, or Cuba, or Venezuela and other Marxist socialist utopias of the world. It's always the homogeneous low population Scandinavians they like to point to. Are liberals racist?
 
You are an idiot.
No it is not the same money. If I don’t have any kids but they are taking money out of my paycheck to pay for day care, how is that the same.

I’m going to work hard to pay for your healthcare and child care?
I have no problem if you want to send me your paycheck to pay for my kids day care. I forgot you don’t work.
In this country hard work is rewarded. Why should I be punished because I’m not as lazy as you.

In this country the people who can afford child care pays for their own child care. Taxpayers subsidize those that can’t afford it.
In this country the people who work can opt to pay for their own healthcare through their employer. The people who don’t work are entitled to taxpayer dollars through Medicaid.
I don’t want to pay for someone’s child care, healthcare or higher education who can already afford it.

You obviously hate the US. Why are you here. Go move to Denmark, Finland or Sweden as you can pay twice as much in taxes to pay for everyone else.

You need a fuckin education.
Great post, Tkaffen. Thanks.
 
Yet those Scandinavian countries that you admire are moving away from the cradle to grave welfare model. There is no way on Earth that the high taxes of Scandinavia would be tolerated in the US, the consensus in Europe is breaking down, due in part to high immigration, and the resultant deliterious effect on the Welfare State and also the postwar consensus is no longer sustainable.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-26/now-even-swedes-are-questioning-the-welfare-state

Correct! :clap:
 
Your "Democrats want us to be like Cuba!" is not going to work anywhere except in the very depths, in the echo chamber of your rightwing blogosphere.

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What the fuck are you talking about.
In all my years I have never heard of “hybrid socialist-free market economics “. Show me the definition or is that a word you made up.

The Scandinavian countries don’t have a socialist economy. They have a free market economy.
Socialism means the government is exerting control or ownership of businesses. That is not the case in any of the Scandinavian countries.

The Scandinavian countries practice a free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for government entitlement programs. It was the free market economy that generated wealth that allowed the government to raise the taxes.
An example of the lack of government involvement is there is no minimum wage laws.

These Jack asses aren’t socialist. They are simply buying votes in exchange for promises to provide freebies at taxpayer expense.

Finland personal income tax rate is expected to be 51.60% by the end of the quarter.
Swedes pays 49% to 60% in personal income tax if you earn over 32,000 pounds
Denmark personal income tax rate is expected to be 55.80% by the end of the quarter.

In the US depending on your earnings, you pay 10% to 37%. I believe the majority of the wage earners income tax rate is about 22%-24%.
Go look at your paycheck and pretend you live in Denmark. Half of what you earned is going to the government. Have a nice flight.

Great post. :clap:
 
Your obsession with tax rates is obviously related to your lifetime of listening to the propoganda of noted oxycontin drug addict Rush Limbaugh and fellow performers at Faux News.

:lolup:This is why you cannot argue with willful idiots on the left. They are only capable of regurgitating the moronic babble they have been fed by the FAKE media.
 
No it is not the same money. If I don’t have any kids but they are taking money out of my paycheck to pay for day care, how is that the same.

If you don't have kids you still pay for public school education for the children of others.
 
If you don't have kids you still pay for public school education for the children of others.


Obviously you don’t know there is a difference between secondary education and day care.
I never said anything about not paying school taxes. I was talking about day care.
My recommendation would be for you to go back to secondary school to learn reading comprehension.
 
Fortunately they stop forcing us to pay for public education when we turn 65 (at least it's that way in FL & GA).
 
You are an idiot.
No it is not the same money. If I don’t have any kids but they are taking money out of my paycheck to pay for day care, how is that the same.

I’m going to work hard to pay for your healthcare and child care?
I have no problem if you want to send me your paycheck to pay for my kids day care. I forgot you don’t work.
In this country hard work is rewarded. Why should I be punished because I’m not as lazy as you.

In this country the people who can afford child care pays for their own child care. Taxpayers subsidize those that can’t afford it.
In this country the people who work can opt to pay for their own healthcare through their employer. The people who don’t work are entitled to taxpayer dollars through Medicaid.
I don’t want to pay for someone’s child care, healthcare or higher education who can already afford it.

You obviously hate the US.

Why are you here. Go move to Denmark, Finland or Sweden as you can pay twice as much in taxes to pay for everyone else.

You need a fuckin education.

You basically have raised the white flag of surrender when you start hollering that I 'hate America!"


I had to pay for your Disastrous Invasion of Iraq, so you have zero room to complain about tax fairness.

In a representative democracy like Norway or the United States, people makes choices and their duly elected representatives vote on how to spend tax revenue.

If this country ever chooses to have single payer health care, and subsidized day care you are just going to have to suck it up and keep a stiff upper lip. I am am still paying for your Iraq War and you do not see my crying like a little girl about it.

Wrapping up: I do appreciate that we have moved the debate away from the preposterous and dishonest teabagger claim that "Democrats want us to be like Cuba!" - and we are now honestly highlighting what American liberals and democratic socialists actually want, aka a socio-economic system similar to, or on a par with, the Scandinavian model. Which happens to also be arguably the most admired socioeconomic model in human history.
 
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