4 in 10 now say socialism would be good for US: Gallup poll

[StoneByStone]

Why do you feel you need to be in order to send more to Washington?

Because working-class people sending money is not going to help the economy. We need a decentralization of wealth, which means we need to redistribute the 1% wealth.

You don't think the 1% are sending enough? They fund almost 50% of all Government revenue.

They'll be sending enough when we have universal health care, affordable college, and UBI. And right now the money the 1% is sending through taxation is being used on wars and to help the rich get richer.
I don't want big government, I just want regulations that help the working-class instead of the rich.

 

[Truth Detector]

Hey Gomer- Your same old shit here every day gets old!

Irony from an asshat who spams this forum with the same tired bullshit every damned day. Seriously, buy a mirror you sad sack. You are one of the worst.

You have no imagination or creative thoughts! Just the same old crap everyday from you!

More irony from an unimaginative brain dead partisan hack with a severe case of TDS. Do you really think your tired, repetitive bullshit is fresh and original? Buy a fucking mirror sad sack.

May I just ignore you? I mean- REALLY?

Please do; then i don't have to keep responding to your boorish buffoonish stupidity.

I mean, PLEASE IGNORE ME!

Why? I like pointing at morons like you and laughing.

You don't have to make me out to be someone so important you feel obligated to have to quote me- every time I make a comment here in this forum of Trump Supporting idiots!

You think I make you look important?

Thanks! But NO THANKS! YANNO?

Cry harder.

 

[StoneByStone]

NO, you cannot.

Why not? All we have to do is tax the rich more and stop wasting money on helping the rich and bombing countries.
We don't need to sieze private property.

Now I see why you are uninformed and make stupid false statements.

You obviously didn't watch the video.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Irony from an asshat who spams this forum with the same tired bullshit every damned day. Seriously, buy a mirror you sad sack. You are one of the worst.



More irony from an unimaginative brain dead partisan hack with a severe case of TDS. Do you really think your tired, repetitive bullshit is fresh and original? Buy a fucking mirror sad sack.



Please do; then i don't have to keep responding to your boorish buffoonish stupidity.



Why? I like pointing at morons like you and laughing.



You think I make you look important?



Cry harder.

Hey Chatty Cathy! Is someone pulling your little string? STFU Please! Before you embarrass yourself any further!

 

[Truth Detector]

Because working-class people sending money is not going to help the economy.

How does sending money to the Government help the economy snowflake? Why do you expect the 1% to send ever greater amounts if it does nothing to help the economy?

We need a decentralization of wealth, which means we need to redistribute the 1% wealth.

That is the dumbest, most brain dead statement anyone can make. You didn't learn very much in school did you?

Who is preventing ANYONE from achieving wealth in this country? How is stealing more from others going to make anything better for losers like you?

The economy isn't a ZERO SUM game. The economy is infinite. When Bill Gates became a Billionaire, he created a LOT of wealth as well. He also made our society much more productive and created millionaires and hundreds of thousands of jobs.

How did his wealth cause anyone to have less? The asinine argument that suggests that had we prevented him from becoming a billionaire and allowed the Government to confiscate it is moronic and that of an uneducated derelict.

They'll be sending enough when we have universal health care, affordable college, and UBI. And right now the money the 1% is sending through taxation is being used on wars and to help the rich get richer.

More laughably stupid and false assertions. No wonder you are a willing dunce for the Party of the Jackass.

I don't want big government, I just want regulations that help the working-class instead of the rich.

Regulations do not help the working class. There isn't a scintilla of evidence supporting that. Allowing the Government to confiscate more of our wealth will do nothing for the working class. There isn't a scintilla of evidence supporting that. Growing Government and turning the citizens into dependent wards of the State will do nothing for the working class. There isn't a scintilla of evidence supporting that.

 

[StoneByStone]

How does sending money to the Government help the economy snowflake? Why do you expect the 1% to send ever greater amounts if it does nothing to help the economy?



That is the dumbest, most brain dead statement anyone can make. You didn't learn very much in school did you?

Who is preventing ANYONE from achieving wealth in this country? How is stealing more from others going to make anything better for losers like you?

The economy isn't a ZERO SUM game. The economy is infinite. When Bill Gates became a Billionaire, he created a LOT of wealth as well. He also made our society much more productive and created millionaires and hundreds of thousands of jobs.

How did his wealth cause anyone to have less? The asinine argument that suggests that had we prevented him from becoming a billionaire and allowed the Government to confiscate it is moronic and that of an uneducated derelict.



More laughably stupid and false assertions. No wonder you are a willing dunce for the Party of the Jackass.



Regulations do not help the working class. There isn't a scintilla of evidence supporting that. Allowing the Government to confiscate more of our wealth will do nothing for the working class. There isn't a scintilla of evidence supporting that. Growing Government and turning the citizens into dependent wards of the State will do nothing for the working class. There isn't a scintilla of evidence supporting that.

Aw, you were doing so well! But now you're sperging out again. Poor ol' mister Detector.

 

[Truth Detector]

Why not? All we have to do is tax the rich more and stop wasting money on helping the rich and bombing countries.
We don't need to sieze private property.

Even if we taxed the rich 100%, the wroking class would be no better off, we as a society would be no better off, it would not solve any of our societal ills or balance the budget and eventually, we would have a nation that resembles the third world shit hole Venezuela has become.

There is no evidence that confiscatory taxation makes things better for the citizens.

You obviously didn't watch the video.

The video didn't make you smarter. It made you dumber and more gullible.

Government is NEVER the answer. Free markets are how we achieve greatness.

 

[Truth Detector]

Hey Chatty Cathy! Is someone pulling your little string? STFU Please! Before you embarrass yourself any further!

CRY harder sad sack. Buy a mirror.

 

[Truth Detector]

Aw, you were doing so well! But now you're sperging out again. Poor ol' mister Detector.

The only one's bloviating are idiots on the left who think Government is the answer. It is dumb, but expected from fools who lack any education and think the economy is a zero sum game. But hey, the Party of the Jackass loves low information clueless dullards who look to them to solve all their problems.

 

[StoneByStone]

The only one's bloviating are idiots on the left who think Government is the answer. It is dumb, but expected from fools who lack any education and think the economy is a zero sum game. But hey, the Party of the Jackass loves low information clueless dullards who look to them to solve all their problems.

Why so angry? Do you need a nap?

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

CRY harder sad sack. Buy a mirror.

Lame! LAME!

Keep trying though!

Perhaps someday you can say something intelligent around here!

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Irony from an asshat who spams this forum with the same tired bullshit every damned day. Seriously, buy a mirror you sad sack. You are one of the worst.



More irony from an unimaginative brain dead partisan hack with a severe case of TDS. Do you really think your tired, repetitive bullshit is fresh and original? Buy a fucking mirror sad sack.



Please do; then i don't have to keep responding to your boorish buffoonish stupidity.



Why? I like pointing at morons like you and laughing.



You think I make you look important?



Cry harder.

What an idiot.

I am not here every day! Check my history! I haven't spent 10 minutes here in the last month!

I actually have a life!

 

[Flash]

I have no problem paying for Pre-k (via tax dollars) if it were run by the school district.
I do have a problem paying for Pre-k (if someone can afford it) if it’s being run by a day care/child care business.

For low income, we are paying for Pre-k through the head start program.

Head Start has been proven ineffective but it would look bad to eliminate it. It is one of those governmental programs that mainly benefit government workers.

 

[Flash]

America is already a socialist country duh

ask any farmer, or any large corporation not paying taxes (most of them)

Unless the government is running that farm and corporation it has nothing to do with socialism.

 

[Truth Detector]

What an idiot.

Yes, you really are.

I am not here every day! Check my history! I haven't spent 10 minutes here in the last month!

Who cares asshole?

I actually have a life!

 

[Flash]

Because working-class people sending money is not going to help the economy. We need a decentralization of wealth, which means we need to redistribute the 1% wealth.

They'll be sending enough when we have universal health care, affordable college, and UBI. And right now the money the 1% is sending through taxation is being used on wars and to help the rich get richer.
I don't want big government, I just want regulations that help the working-class instead of the rich.

We spend 21% for defense. Most of the budget goes to pensions (25%) and health care (28%).

 

[Mott the Hoople]

More than 4 in 10 respondents in a new Gallup poll now say that socialism would be a good thing for the U.S.

The survey results, released Monday, found that 43 percent of respondents said “some form of socialism” would be a good thing for the nation as a whole.

A little more than half — 51 percent — said that socialism would be a bad thing for the country. And 6 percent said they did not have an opinion.

The results show an increase of 15 points in the number of respondents who said socialism would be a good thing compared to a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey, in which just 25 percent of respondents said socialism would be a good thing and 40 percent said it would be bad.

The results contrast with a Monmouth University poll from earlier this month which found that 57 percent of voters believe that socialism is incompatible with American values.

The Gallup poll, which collected data between April 17-30, comes as more high-profile politicians label themselves socialist. Most notably, self-avowed democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has continued to poll in the top tier of the pool of 2020 Democratic candidates for president, though most of his competitors have distanced themselves from the label.

As the 2020 battle gets underway, Republicans have widely targeted Democrats for allegedly “embracing” socialism.

Gallup also found that Americans are more likely to favor free market over government control on a number of issues, including technological innovation, wealth distribution, the economy, wages, higher education and health care. Respondents favored government control in just two categories: environmental protection and consumers’ online privacy protection.

Respondents were split on their description of the U.S. economy, with 40 percent saying it leans more toward government control, 34 percent saying it leans toward free market control and 25 percent describing it as an equal mix of the two.

The poll of 1,024 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...0-now-say-socialism-would-be-good-for-us-poll

If 4 in 10 Americans are saying that then it's probably a pretty good indication that the Capitalism isn't working optimally for the labor classes.

In reality though it's a stupid poll or should I say the question of the poll is dumber than a bagful of hammers.

First, most Americans aren't exactly well read and don't know what the definition of socialism is.
Second, for much of our history our country has had no problem using Socialism when the free market fails to provide needed goods and services at reasonable cost. The Postal Service, The Military, Social Security, Public Education, Public Transportation, Public Utilities and Infrastructure, etc., all socialism.

The reverse has been seen too. Eventually the Free Market was able to provide cost effective postal services and as a result the US Postal Service has declined precipitately, as it should.

The point being though is if this polling # is correct and it continues to grow...then it would indicate that the Capitialist class is not sharing an equitable amount of the wealth produced by labor, with labor...but we already know that. One only has to look at the Champaign Glass graph of economic ineguality to see that. The stem of the glass can only be stretched so thin before it breaks with social unrest resulting.

 

[StoneByStone]

We spend 21% for defense. Most of the budget goes to pensions (25%) and health care (28%).

Does "defense" include bombing and occupying countries that are no threat to us?
Either way, we're wasting a lot of money that could be used for better things.

 

[Flash]

Does "defense" include bombing and occupying countries that are no threat to us?
Either way, we're wasting a lot of money that could be used for better things.

Yes. I agree it is wasteful and counter-productive and provides the best recruiting tool for terrorists, but it is far from most of the budget as you implied.

You want government to spend more on workers and less to the rich, but the very programs you favor are big subsidies for the rich. Food stamps is welfare for farmers, food processors, truckers and food distributors, grocery stores, and now fast food places. Medicare and Medicaid are subsidies for doctors, hospitals, medical supply houses, medical device makers....You want corporations to pay more but want to take away their expense of providing health care to employees. Student loans and grants are subsidies to universities, housing is welfare for real estate interests.

 

[StoneByStone]

Yes. I agree it is wasteful and counter-productive and provides the best recruiting tool for terrorists, but it is far from most of the budget as you implied.

Well that's why I said the rich should pay more. We're going to need higher taxes on the rich as well as better use of current taxes.

You want government to spend more on workers and less to the rich, but the very programs you favor are big subsidies for the rich. Food stamps is welfare for farmers, food processors, truckers and food distributors, grocery stores, and now fast food places. Medicare and Medicaid are subsidies for doctors, hospitals, medical supply houses, medical device makers....You want corporations to pay more but want to take away their expense of providing health care to employees. Student loans and grants are subsidies to universities, housing is welfare for real estate interests.

You could look at it that way, but those programs will result in the working-class having more money. And if taxes on the rich are raised, they'd have less money, thus decentralizing wealth.