51% of Women Are Now Living Without Spouse

[uscitizen]

Yes it is, I was watching a segment on it on PBS a few weeks ago. Imagine being a registered sex offender for "living in sin " as consenting opposite sex adults....

 

[Damocles]

I suspect that what he meant was not that the U.S. population is becoming more liberal, but rather that this is a trend of which conservatives are going to disapprove.

Now that makes sense, and is accurate.

 

[Cancel7]

single women vote overwhelmingly democratic. I've even heard Rush Limbaugh squeeling like a stuck pig, over this statistic.

I think there's many reasons for it - but, it's a statistical fact.

Thank you Cypress. I was waiting for someone to point out that obvious fact in Desh's defense.

Married women trend slightly Republican. Single women trend Democratic.

So this is a significant development.

 

[evince]

Idoubt there is any going back either.

This trend will just grow.

I know quite afew families where the chick earns more than the guy.

The US is going to trend even more liberal in the future


THIS IS WHAT I SAID.

Now the fact that women are less dependent on men means with the woman making = or more than her spouse means she is less likely to stay because of finances (as in the past) and YES women vote more liberally than men .

 

[Damocles]

Idoubt there is any going back either.

This trend will just grow.

I know quite afew families where the chick earns more than the guy.

The US is going to trend even more liberal in the future


THIS IS WHAT I SAID.

Now the fact that women are less dependent on men means with the woman making = or more than her spouse means she is less likely to stay because of finances (as in the past) and YES women vote more liberally than men .

And my point was, that when a Conservative woman gets a divorce she doesn't magically change to a Liberal woman. This, more than likely, will change the dynamic of the "Single Women Vote Liberally" rather than change the dynamic of the nation. The same numbers will be there...

I feel for the kids, being the "beneficiary" of a divorce as a child I fully understand the implications and negative impact of a divorce on children.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

And my point was, that when a Conservative woman gets a divorce she doesn't magically change to a Liberal woman. This, more than likely, will change the dynamic of the "Single Women Vote Liberally" rather than change the dynamic of the nation. The same numbers will be there...

I feel for the kids, being the "beneficiary" of a divorce as a child I fully understand the implications and negative impact of a divorce on children.

You're assuming that she doesn't become more conservative -- or at least express more conservative opinions -- simply because she's married. Anecdotally, at least, that's a questionable assumption.

More broadly, people have the opinions they do for reasons. Those reasons aren't always apparent, but they always exist.

 

[Damocles]

You're assuming that she doesn't become more conservative -- or at least express more conservative opinions -- simply because she's married. Anecdotally, at least, that's a questionable assumption.

More broadly, people have the opinions they do for reasons. Those reasons aren't always apparent, but they always exist.

I'm assuming nothing. I understand that it is more likely for a conservative woman to wish marriage. However, when just over 50% of marriages end in divorce they simply are not all liberals getting them. Plus, we have seen many conservatives get divorces. Prominently.

I believe that it is "more than likely" that it will change the dynamic of the percentages of women who vote liberally as single women because a large group of them will not change views because of their divorce. I never stated that none of them do change to liberals, I stated that all of them do not magically change to liberals.

 

[Cancel7]

I'm assuming nothing. I understand that it is more likely for a conservative woman to wish marriage. However, when just over 50% of marriages end in divorce they simply are not all liberals getting them. Plus, we have seen many conservatives get divorces. Prominently.

I believe that it is "more than likely" that it will change the dynamic of the percentages of women who vote liberally as single women because a large group of them will not change views because of their divorce. I never stated that none of them do change to liberals, I stated that all of them do not magically change to liberals.

Many of these women are delaying marriage, they're not divorced. It says that "most will eventually marry", indicating that a high percentage are not divorced.

And I think what Ornot is alluding to in his response is something that I myself have witnessed. More women than you might imagine go along with their husband's political beliefs. I'm out there canvassing and I see it all to often. I've had a shocking number of women say something to me along the lines of "oh he knows about that stuff" or "oh he handles that stuff". I also have personally known women (one of them being an aunt of mine) who change politics the way they change their men. That is, everytime they get a new man, they also get a new set of political beliefs...his.

I've also known a girl who told me that she was thinking of voting for Hillary Clinton (this is when she was running against Lazio), but her father would "kill" either her or her mother if they voted for Hillary.

What Ornot is saying, and what cannot be proved but only guessed at using personal experiences as a half-assed gauge, (this is why he uses the word anecdotal) is that nobody knows how many married women are with controlling husbands and so do not feel free to spread their own wings politically. You don't know how they're going to vote once freed. It's a good bet they'll vote whatever way would drive him most crazy though. And that holds if he's a controlling leftist, and yes, there are controlling male leftists. It just isn't a primary character trait the way it is with conservative males. But it can and does happen.

 

[Damocles]

Many of these women are delaying marriage, they're not divorced. It says that "most will eventually marry", indicating that a high percentage are not divorced.

And I think what Ornot is alluding to in his response is something that I myself have witnessed. More women than you might imagine go along with their husband's political beliefs. I'm out there canvassing and I see it all to often. I've had a shocking number of women say something to me along the lines of "oh he knows about that stuff" or "oh he handles that stuff". I also have personally known women (one of them being an aunt of mine) who change politics the way they change their men. That is, everytime they get a new man, they also get a new set of political beliefs...his.

I've also known a girl who told me that she was thinking of voting for Hillary Clinton (this is when she was running against Lazio), but her father would "kill" either her or her mother if they voted for Hillary.

What Ornot is saying, and what cannot be proved but only guessed at using personal experiences as a half-assed gauge, (this is why he uses the word anecdotal) is that nobody knows how many married women are with controlling husbands and so do not feel free to spread their own wings politically. You don't know how they're going to vote once freed. It's a good bet they'll vote whatever way would drive him most crazy though. And that holds if he's a controlling leftist, and yes, there are controlling male leftists. It just isn't a primary character trait the way it is with conservative males. But it can and does happen.

It also says that they are staying single longer after divorce. I didn't make it up wholly out of fabricated assumption or anything. The idea that the dynamic of women voters would change hugely because of this is an assumption. Regardless of whether or not they rush into marriage will not change their views politically. I suspect that the only dynamic to change is the "single women vote largely liberally" and that only marginally.

Basically, I answered to the assumption that because of this dynamic the number of liberal voters would change. I don't think that it will.

I also think we'll hear about this report from many socially conservative talk show hosts that will make a big to do about it then quiet down while they change nothing...

m'eh. I think I've made my point. I don't think that not being married will change a woman who is conservative into a liberal. That her plans have changed to prolong her single status won't change her political views. It is that simple.

 

[Cypress]

And I think what Ornot is alluding to in his response is something that I myself have witnessed. More women than you might imagine go along with their husband's political beliefs.

I totally believe this. Not a majority of women, mind you. But some.

 

[Damocles]

And I think what Ornot is alluding to in his response is something that I myself have witnessed. More women than you might imagine go along with their husband's political beliefs.

I totally believe this. Not a majority of women, mind you. But some.

I think that such women would exercise their vote differently than their mouth says while still in the marriage. That they say the right thing to keep the peace does not mean that they do what they are saying.

I couldn't imagine attempting to control my wife in such a way, it seems like pushing an immovable object and expecting a reaction.

 

[Cancel7]

It also says that they are staying single longer after divorce. I didn't make it up wholly out of fabricated assumption or anything. The idea that the dynamic of women voters would change hugely because of this is an assumption. Regardless of whether or not they rush into marriage will not change their views politically. I suspect that the only dynamic to change is the "single women vote largely liberally" and that only marginally.

Basically, I answered to the assumption that because of this dynamic the number of liberal voters would change. I don't think that it will.

I also think we'll hear about this report from many socially conservative talk show hosts that will make a big to do about it then quiet down while they change nothing...

m'eh. I think I've made my point. I don't think that not being married will change a woman who is conservative into a liberal. That her plans have changed to prolong her single status won't change her political views. It is that simple.

If she really is a conservative then...divorce probably won't change her political views. I say probably , because I'm not that confident of that. Statistics show that divorced women can expect a decreased standard of living that will last over their lifetimes. We'd have to break the divorced women up into groups of specific kinds of conservatives to see if your theory would hold true. I suspect it would with socially conservative women, however, the typical suburban married woman is socially moderate to liberal and fiscally conservative. What would a prolonged period of a lower standard of living do to a fiscal conservative who is not socially conservative? That's an interesting question and one that neither you nor I can answer.

And my previous points about a percentage of married women (the number of which we cannot know, we can only know that they do exist) whose political opinions, if they even hold any, are largely influenced by their husbands, stand.

 

[Cancel7]

And I think what Ornot is alluding to in his response is something that I myself have witnessed. More women than you might imagine go along with their husband's political beliefs.

I totally believe this. Not a majority of women, mind you. But some.

Right, not a majority, but we know they exist. Sadly. I saw Damo's response too, and I wouldn't expect you to realize that Damo. I didn't think you did try and control your wife. But there are men like that out there. And they do marry. In fact, they look to marry.

 

[Damocles]

Right, not a majority, but we know they exist. Sadly. I saw Damo's response too, and I wouldn't expect you to realize that Damo. I didn't think you did try and control your wife. But there are men like that out there. And they do marry. In fact, they look to marry.

Oh, I know such men exist. I just know that women in such situations, most of the ones that I know, would vote opposing viewpoints to "punish" him while he isn't watching...

In my opinion, of the people I have seen in such a situation, they "transgress" (sometimes against their actual beliefs) in a passive-aggressive way like I describe above. While the "gentleman" (very loosely used term there) may think they have that control they actively push them in the other direction with their "manliness".

 

[Cancel7]

Oh, I know such men exist. I just know that women in such situations, most of the ones that I know, would vote opposing viewpoints to "punish" him while he isn't watching...

In my opinion, of the people I have seen in such a situation, they "transgress" (sometimes against their actual beliefs) in a passive-aggressive way like I describe above. While the "gentleman" (very loosely used term there) may think they have that control they actively push them in the other direction with their "manliness".

Well, that doesn't seem unlikely. You're probably right about this.

Which goes to show that there is a first time for everything.

 

[Cypress]

I think that such women would exercise their vote differently than their mouth says while still in the marriage. That they say the right thing to keep the peace does not mean that they do what they are saying.

I couldn't imagine attempting to control my wife in such a way, it seems like pushing an immovable object and expecting a reaction.

I'm sure a dude like you is married to a free-willed woman.

And, when it does happen, I don't think its neccessarily done by bullying or control. Its more subtle than that. Like the dude who listens to Rush Limbaugh all day, and then rants at his wife about those evil liberals. Its like osmosis.

 

[Cancel5]

Thank you Cypress. I was waiting for someone to point out that obvious fact in Desh's defense.

Married women trend slightly Republican. Single women trend Democratic.

So this is a significant development.

I am glad I always buck the trends!

 

[Cancel5]

I have seen two of my very conservative friends become a great deal more liberal after divorcing their husbands...or was it my evil influence? Hmmm, I will never know for sure.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

Oh, I know such men exist. I just know that women in such situations, most of the ones that I know, would vote opposing viewpoints to "punish" him while he isn't watching...

In my opinion, of the people I have seen in such a situation, they "transgress" (sometimes against their actual beliefs) in a passive-aggressive way like I describe above. While the "gentleman" (very loosely used term there) may think they have that control they actively push them in the other direction with their "manliness".

You ignore the possibility, however, that the simple act of living on her own might change a woman's outlook and opinions. It certainly changes the opinions of men, and I don't see why women would be any different.

 

[Damocles]

You ignore the possibility, however, that the simple act of living on her own might change a woman's outlook and opinions. It certainly changes the opinions of men, and I don't see why women would be any different.

I don't overlook it. I have stated that this does happen... You are overlooking the fact that many get divorced, do not change, then later remarry, those who do are taking longer to remarry. The idea that this will significantly change the nation to superliberal overnight is ridiculous. I think the statistic is politically meaningless other than to social conservatives who want to make divorce nearly impossible....

I think you overlook much of my points above to attempt to convince yourself that this will magically change all of the nation over to your POV. Or that somehow the slowing of change means the ending of change...

Once again, to say, "The US will get more liberal as we go..." is a non-starter. It's like saying that over time the mountains will grow then erode... This doesn't mean a loss for conservatives who have a goal to slow, not stop, change.