Not anymore sweetie.....you're paying my bills now......at least some of them.
How about answering the question. Too hard for you....?
$76.00 PER HOUR
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Not anymore sweetie.....you're paying my bills now......at least some of them.
How about answering the question. Too hard for you....?
is $75,000 +benefits enough....thats the question....should Rahm Emanuel, the Dem. mayor give them what they want...? Simple enough question, no
need to go off on stupid tangents....
If its too tough for you.....take a rest or try another thread....
zappasguitar
Well-known member
There would have been no "going off on a tangent" if you hadn't found it necessary to make such pitiful and patently stupid strawman arguments.
You are jealous because you actually believe your ridiculous assumption that teachers only work 5 hours and 45 minutes a day...and that jealousy makes intelligent discourse with you impossible.
au contraire, in reality, as the posts clearly prove, I Made NO arguements one way or the other.....all I've done is keep asking the same question over and over
without getting an answer from the pinheads.......
They keep coming up with
"the teachers are so important"
'The teachers are to buy supplies with their own money"
The teachers are at school hours before class starts
The teachers stay at school long after classes end
The teachers have to plan classes, grade papers, have meetings, etc....ad nauseam
I didn't bring up any of that irrelevant crap.
and in frustration I tried to point out that all that shit is irrelevant....just answer the question....
We all buy supplies to do our jobs, to one degree or another
we all have value to the people we work for
We all get to work before we start getting paid
We all prepare for our jobs and stay current with the training we need
We all attend meetings at our work places and on and on.....
Its like no one but teachers open their laptops at home to do a little catch up or extra work
We all have to perform our jobs that our employers require whether its at the office or pluging in the wi-fi at the coffee shop, or we get the boot
There is no 'tenure' in GM or ATT or Verizon or Exxon or even Walmart.....
The fuckin' point is....actual working hours and getting paid.....how much do you want to pay with your taxes, how much is too much, how much is enough
Are the taxpayers just an infinite money supply.....
So FU....I ask a simple question expecting a simple answer and all I get is bullshit and excuses
All because its so damn easy to stup the ppinheads with less than difficult questions....I'm done
Everything you need to know about the Chicago teachers’ strike, in one post
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zappasguitar
Well-known member
Is this you?
That sure looks like you going off on a tangent and bringing up "irrelevant crap" with regards to the supposed work day Chicago area teachers work.
that said...$75,000 + benefits sounds acceptable for now.
You got a better method of determining what you make per hour?.....you're an asshole and a hack
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Based on the union teachers results, they should take a pay cut. I wouldn't offer them a raise
JosephxBlade
Poetic patriot
Hmm one wonders if any one looks at the pay scale of their profession after four years of preparing to enter the profession, and is surprised at what they see. You would think Some one would at least marginally look into the pay grade of a job that will require upwards of twelve years in total of schooling. I know I check before starting to say that's what I want to be. Well I completely agree that sometimes there is reward without monetary reimbursement.. if you are going to center your career for that sort of thing why complain later about the pay scale that you literally have a minimum of four years of required education ( A bachelors degree in education is required to become an elementary school teacher ) to consider if your truly ok with the pro's and cons of the WELL established pay of the profession you are heading towards, or maybe every teacher who does this just woke up one day after being sheltered and home schooled their entire life and were asked if they wanted to go into that profession
christiefan915
Catalyst
Here's a suggestion.
Annie's a teacher from Chicago. Why don't you ask her if that amount of money and benefits is enough?
christiefan915
Catalyst
He's confusing the teachers' work day with the students' school day.
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They work 8 months a year. No sympathy from me
christiefan915
Catalyst
Nine to 9-1/2 months, and the income has to last for twelve, just like for the rest of us.
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They get paid for 12. It is called a budget.
Explained in detail in post 64......but thats getting off the topic....
annie can make a post anytime she sees fit......how about YOU answering the question.
How lame.
Others work the full 12 and make less....but have to contribute by paying their RE taxes to fund those others....
christiefan915
Catalyst
I'm having a hard time figuring what your point is. Correct me if this is wrong. You think $75K annually is too much money for public school teachers in Chicago because every time they get a raise, someone's RE taxes increase.
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I haven't expressed much of an opinion either way.....I'm asking for opinions.....
but I have tried to show that other professions and even many blue collar jobs require many of the same sacrifices teachers do.....without most of the benefits.....
warm in the winter, cool in the summer, clean environment, tenure, long vacation, and substantial pay, generous pension (exempt from Soc. Sec.) etc.........tax money is not an infinite deep pocket....
taxpayers have to live too.....we also pay for food and gas and rent and clothes for the kids, etc...
I'm not going to rehash them all again.....but they are in the thread.....
I guess thats the opinion you were looking for.....many others don't enjoy 75, 000 a year and a considerable pension.....I think we need a little more
consideration for the ones paying the bills.....and when its all said and done, thats the taxpayers
christiefan915
Catalyst
I'd like to know how the cost of living in Chicago compares to that of Paducah, KY, for example. Seems like it would be fair to factor that into the salaries. I've had a similar discussion with Cawacko over housing, an above-average house in San Francisco would be a mansion here in Pgh. As a matter of fact, I calculated from a COL site that it's 20% more expensive to live and work in Chicago than in Pittsburgh, but employers pay only 9% more. It's what the market will bear. So to answer your question, I have no problem with their teacher salaries, using this info.
Thanks....I appreciate a plain simple answer....
FYI
CNSNews.com) - Taxpayers in places as divergent as Florida and Montana, Nevada and New Hampshire, Arizona and Maine--as well as their children who will eventually need to pay the interest on the federal government's growing debt--may not think they have a stake in the Chicago teachers strike, but in fact the budgets of the Chicago Public Schools show that American taxpayers everywhere have literally billions at stake in what goes on in this one city's public school system.
Over the past four years, the Chicago public schools have churned through total revenues of approximately $20.27 billion and about $4.26 billion of that revenue—or almost 21 percent of it—has come from the federal government.
That is $4.26 billion the federal government has either taken from Americans in federal taxes or has borrowed and added to the national debt.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/federal-subsidies-chicago-schools-4-billion-4-years-10540-student
Lowaicue
英語在香港
Some naval personnel are worth their money, others are not.
My daughter is a year head and head of English. She is on reasonable money BUT she works, on average three and a half hours at home at the end of her full eight hour day, she works all weekends at home and at least one full Saturday at school for extra mural activities.
This summer she took two weeks holiday from the six weeks allocated because the school is changing to IB and there were a lot of meetings and discussions on syllabus. She is also on a two year (renewable) contract.
So, mister, get you facts straight before typing your biased comments.
BTW there are also useless teachers at her school who dont deserve 76 cents an hour but they tend to be very much in a minority. Eventually those will be weeded out by the quality control system in which every teacher is examined at least once per term by a senior teacher and term and exam results scrutinised at the end of every year.
The results she achieves would knock your socks off and make even the best UK stats pale into insignificance.
$76.00 per hour? No, that is not excessive.