80 year old Pelosi arrives in Taiwan. Balls of steel.

anonymoose said:
Incredibly stupid.

From todays NYT - Thomas Friedman

Biden’s national security team made clear to Pelosi, a longtime advocate for human rights in China, why she should not go to Taiwan now.

It is a measure of our political dysfunction that a Democratic president cannot deter a Democratic House speaker from engaging in a diplomatic maneuver that his entire national security team — from the C.I.A. director to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs — deemed unwise.
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Friedman is an idiot.
agreed none of this should have played out in public. Biden should have "no comment" when asked.
instead he said
"the military doesnt want her to go" -this from the commander in chief? cant he speak as such?
 
RB 60 said:
Yeah, it's not like we have a strong leader...
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well China has been ramping it up. after Afghanistan it looks like Brandon is clueless
(i mean droning al-Zawahiri was great, but the withdrawal was an absolute disaster)..
But this is really China's play - nothing going to happen over the Pelosi visit.

Beijing has been saying they want "reunification" by 2027
 
dukkha said:
doesnt mater in the long run. China is going to do what China wants to do in regards to taiwan
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In the end I think you’re right. Xi isn’t going to make a decision about anything based on something as trivial as an old bimbo’s travel plans who has little to no say in foreign policy.
 
dukkha said:
Friedman is an idiot.
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Sure you don’t have him confused with Paul Krugman?
I don’t always agree with Friedman but he had a very well thought out opinion piece in today’s NYT over this visit. And you’d definitely agree with what he had to say about Ukraine in it. I’ll post excerpts for you.
 
dukkha said:
Friedman is an idiot.
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Sure about that?
In today’s NYT:

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, U.S. officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine’s leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine — considerably more than has been reported.

And there is funny business going on in Kyiv. On July 17, Zelensky fired his country’s prosecutor general and the leader of its domestic intelligence agency — the most significant shake-up in his government since the Russian invasion in February. It would be the equivalent of Biden firing Merrick Garland and Bill Burns on the same day. But I have still not seen any reporting that convincingly explains what that was all about. It is as if we don’t want to look too closely under the hood in Kyiv for fear of what corruption or antics we might see, when we have invested so much there.
NYT - Friedman 8-2-22
 
anonymoose said:
Sure about that?
In today’s NYT:

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, U.S. officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine’s leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine — considerably more than has been reported.

And there is funny business going on in Kyiv. On July 17, Zelensky fired his country’s prosecutor general and the leader of its domestic intelligence agency — the most significant shake-up in his government since the Russian invasion in February. It would be the equivalent of Biden firing Merrick Garland and Bill Burns on the same day. But I have still not seen any reporting that convincingly explains what that was all about. It is as if we don’t want to look too closely under the hood in Kyiv for fear of what corruption or antics we might see, when we have invested so much there.
NYT - Friedman 8-2-22
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wow.. Ill give him that much. he at least MENTIONS Ukraine corruption.

January 25, 2022 07:03
No progress – Ukraine in the Corruption Perceptions Index
https://ti-ukraine.org/en/news/no-p...ult-in-the-corruption-perceptions-index-2021/
Comparing to its neighbors, Ukraine continues to be only ahead of Russia — the aggressor neighbor
 
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anonymoose said:
Fuck them. I thought the neocons were done. I guess not.
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how in the hell can you support Ukraine? which is of absolutely no strategic value to the USA,but call checking Chinese hegemony "neocon"? I'm all in for stopping the interventionism -agreed.

But Taiwan is not Ukraine,we patrol the western pacific Taiwan is a great source of critical semiconductoors
and China is the global expansionist power -not Russia
 
dukkha said:
how in the hell can you support Ukraine?
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I don't support Uk so much as I oppose unprovoked Russian aggression. Stand up to the bully. Punch him in the nose. As long as the Ukrainians are willing to fight, and it certainly looks like they are, I support them, not necessarily their government.
dukkha said:
but call checking Chinese hegemony "neocon"? I'm all in for stopping the interventionism -agreed.
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What they are doing os provocative. No reason for that. But Xi will do what he will do (or not) regardless.
dukkha said:
But Taiwan is not Ukraine,we patrol the western pacific Taiwan is a great source of critical semiconductoors
and China is the global expansionist power -not Russia
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Agreed, Taiwan is of more strategic importance. But aren't you always advocating realpolitik? Just don't poke your finger in your adversary's eye.
 
anonymoose said:
Incredibly stupid.

From todays NYT - Thomas Friedman

Biden’s national security team made clear to Pelosi, a longtime advocate for human rights in China, why she should not go to Taiwan now.

It is a measure of our political dysfunction that a Democratic president cannot deter a Democratic House speaker from engaging in a diplomatic maneuver that his entire national security team — from the C.I.A. director to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs — deemed unwise.
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I like that she asserts Taiwan's independence. China should accept it. h
 
LurchAddams said:
You are such an ignorant fool.

https://www.republicanleader.gov/leader-mccarthy-and-republicans-travel-to-israel/

"Jerusalem, Israel – House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (CA-23) and a group of more than two dozen House Republicans are in Israel this week to reaffirm the special relationship between the United States and the only democracy in the Middle East. Today, they met with all of Israel’s top leaders: Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, Minister of Foreign Affairs Yair Lapid, Head of the Opposition Benjamin Netanyahu, and Speaker of the Knesset Mickey Levy."
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Which one of those representatives was The Speaker on those trips?
 
Jarod said:
I like that she asserts Taiwan's independence. China should accept it. h
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They should but they won't. You need to do some reading of Kissinger to even begin to understand China. They think in terms of centuries, not weeks or months.
 
Cypress said:
You're brand new to politics, eh?

Congress appropriates money for economic and military assistance to foreign countries, and they have a right and an obligation to oversee the process.


"New US Senate bill proposes expansion of Taiwan military aid"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...enate-proposes-expansion-military-aide-taiwan
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She has zero authority to conduct foreign policy. She can speak for herself, but not for the executive branch. Perhaps you are still a little wet behind the ears when it comes to politics.
 
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