86 year old man who shot black thug trying to break into house charged with TWO FELONIES.

[T. A. Gardner]

There are 32 credible citations on the Wiki page. As usual, every word of TDAK's post is a lie. He opened his one millionth untrue thread to demonstrate his boundless racial hatred.

Shooting of Ralph Yarl - Wikipedia

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Nothing new there. That's why I looked things up for myself and corrected the record here.

 

[Nomad]

A homeowner isn't a professional and trained in the use of force. A police officer is. Byrd was a Lieutenant on the Capitol Police force. He had years of training, and those years obviously didn't sink in. He had a history of being a fuck up too.

Byrd deserved to be charged far more than some idiot homeowner.

Bullshit.

Babbitt was a participant in a violent riot when she attempted to breach a high security zone.

It's not the cops' job during such a situation to spend 30 minutes interviewing or explaining the law to people trying to force their way into a protected area.

Even a child can understand that and that the cop had every right to shoot her.

Had the political parties in the entire situation been reversed, you'd be the cop's biggest supporter.

I know it, you know it and everybody else knows it.

 

[Nomad]

You are so full of shit it isn't funny. The immediate circumstances dictate use of force in federal law enforcement. Babbitt was unarmed and climbing through a window. We can see Byrd's gun and hands in video, even if he, himself, isn't visible. He does NOTHING to try and get her attention or use less that lethal force.

He shoots her once, even though she poses no immediate threat to life or property.

Then, the most egregious part, he flees the scene. Explain that part away. What police officer shoots and kills a suspect then leaves the scene?

Byrd should have been charged with manslaughter and misuse of a firearm, leaving the scene of a shooting, along with violation of his own department's use of force rules.

How were the Capitol cops supposed to know she was unarmed, you fucking idiot?

Answer that one question.

Was she wearing a sign that said she was unarmed?

And why was she trying to breach that secured zone to begin with?

Do you know what her intentions were?

Your argument is a pile of shit just like everything else related to trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Bullshit.

Babbitt was a participant in a violent riot when she attempted to breach a high security zone.

It's not the cops' job during such a situation to spend 30 minutes interviewing or explaining the law to people trying to force their way into a protected area.

Even a child can understand that and that the cop had every right to shoot her.

Had the political parties in the entire situation been reversed, you'd be the cop's biggest supporter.

I know it, you know it and everybody else knows it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't even know where in the Capitol building she was shot.

Explain Byrd fleeing the scene after shooting her if you version above is correct.

Explain why the other half-dozen plus police officers present, some within feet of Byrd's location, didn't shoot anyone.

You are full of shit. Byrd deserves to be charged.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

How were the Capitol cops supposed to know she was unarmed, you fucking idiot?

Answer that one question.

Okay. With police, you assume they are unarmed if a weapon isn't visible. You treat them as if they are potentially armed, but that doesn't mean you can just shoot someone. Instead, you start by making yourself visible to the suspect and getting their attention verbally. If verbal commands don't work, you move up to physical use of force.

Was she wearing a sign that said she was unarmed?

Irrelevant red herring.

And why was she trying to breach that secured zone to begin with?

Because she was an idiot?

Do you know what her intentions were?

No, and neither do you. But that doesn't give a police officer the right to use lethal force when they haven't even tried using lesser means of force.

Your argument is a pile of shit just like everything else related to trump.

It is your argument that is full of shit.

Oh, explain why Byrd fled the scene immediately after shooting her. Explain why it is allowable that any police officer can shoot someone and then just walk away.

 

[WinterBorn]

Why the kid was there isn't relevant.

The man shot him THROUGH the door. If the door was closed and locked, how much of a threat was he?

 

[Walt]

Not if they don't want to get shot by an ancient, white racist! At least this 86-year-old had terrible aim and wasn't able to kill the victim with 2 shots at point blank range.

The amount of pressure needed to get any charges from this meaningless shooting was unbelievable. The poor kid will suffer from the brain injury for the rest of his life.

 

[Diesel]

Why the kid was there isn't relevant.

The man shot him THROUGH the door. If the door was closed and locked, how much of a threat was he?

He wasn't a threat. He rang the doorbell of an 86-year-old white racist and got shot twice for it. Cue the JPP white racists to say the 16-year-old honor student was a Black thug and then ramble mindlessly about Babbitt and Byrd in a thread that has nothing to do with them.

The stupidity that surrounds us is astounding.

 

[WinterBorn]

He wasn't a threat. He rang the doorbell of an 86-year-old white racist and got shot twice for it. Cue the JPP white racists to say the 16-year-old honor student was a Black thug and then ramble mindlessly about Babbitt and Byrd in a thread that has nothing to do with them.

The stupidity that surrounds us is astounding.

Imagine if a white kid had just knocked on the door and an 86 year old black man shot him through the door?

 

[Diesel]

Imagine if a white kid had just knocked on the door and an 86 year old black man shot him through the door?

TDAK would be petitioning for a lynching.

 

[Walt]

Babbitt was unarmed and climbing through a window.

There is no way to know whether someone is unarmed, if they are not complying with a search. As you mention, Babbitt was smashing her way through a window, screaming that she was going to kill people. She turned out later to be unarmed.

Had Yarl also been smashing his way through a window at the time he was shot, then Lester's shooting at him would have made sense... Even if Yarl had not been armed. It is not incumbent upon the rest of the world to figure out if a violent person is armed or not. It is incumbent on the suspect to act like Yarl, and not be violent.

He does NOTHING to try and get her attention or use less that lethal force.

She was repeatedly warned back, and was in fact pepper sprayed a few minutes earlier.

leaving the scene of a shooting

That would require proving he failed to report the shooting, when clearly the shooting was reported.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There is no way to know whether someone is unarmed, if they are not complying with a search. As you mention, Babbitt was smashing her way through a window, screaming that she was going to kill people. She turned out later to be unarmed.

The window was already gone. Babbitt smashed nothing. She was climbing through the open hole. Again, the videos of that scene prove that. Your next statement is utter and complete bullshit.

Had Yarl also been smashing his way through a window at the time he was shot, then Lester's shooting at him would have made sense... Even if Yarl had not been armed. It is not incumbent upon the rest of the world to figure out if a violent person is armed or not. It is incumbent on the suspect to act like Yarl, and not be violent.

B&E into a private home is quite different from someone climbing through an interior window into an empty hallway from an adjoining interior hallway in a public building. You are making a false equivalence.

She was repeatedly warned back, and was in fact pepper sprayed a few minutes earlier.

No, she wasn't, and again, all of that is a bullshit lie proved by video of the scene.

That would require proving he failed to report the shooting, when clearly the shooting was reported.

No, that would require he remain on the scene and request help. The fucker had a R A D I O! He didn't do that. He didn't immediately report the shooting. He left the scene, and only later reported that he shot Babbitt. That is proven by his own testimony.

 

[Nomad]

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't even know where in the Capitol building she was shot.

Explain Byrd fleeing the scene after shooting her if you version above is correct.

Explain why the other half-dozen plus police officers present, some within feet of Byrd's location, didn't shoot anyone.

You are full of shit. Byrd deserves to be charged.

Okay. With police, you assume they are unarmed if a weapon isn't visible. You treat them as if they are potentially armed, but that doesn't mean you can just shoot someone. Instead, you start by making yourself visible to the suspect and getting their attention verbally. If verbal commands don't work, you move up to physical use of force.


Irrelevant red herring.


Because she was an idiot?


No, and neither do you. But that doesn't give a police officer the right to use lethal force when they haven't even tried using lesser means of force.


It is your argument that is full of shit.

Oh, explain why Byrd fled the scene immediately after shooting her. Explain why it is allowable that any police officer can shoot someone and then just walk away.

Nothing but the usual deflection, side-stepping and irrelevant bullshit questions not even worth addressing.

Especially that nonsense about assuming perps are unarmed unless a weapon is visible.

You don't know your head from your ass, but then again, with you that's perfectly understandable.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

I looked into the kid's background. Was an honor student with a good GPA. Interest in science and wanted to go to Texas A&M. No past criminal history or history of gang involvement.

HAHAHAHA. Is that what CNN told you? Remember how they also told us george floyd and trayvon martin were saints? This kid was a thug and he was gonna kill and rob that old guy.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

How were the Capitol cops supposed to know she was unarmed, you fucking idiot?

Every time a white cop shoots a black that question can also be asked. But the press never does.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

The amount of pressure needed to get any charges from this meaningless shooting was unbelievable. The poor kid will suffer from the brain injury for the rest of his life.

HAHAHA. Show us your evidence of a brain injury. Of course the thug's family says that. That's not evidence; they want money.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

HAHAHAHA. Is that what CNN told you? Remember how they also told us george floyd and trayvon martin were saints? This kid was a thug and he was gonna kill and rob that old guy.

George Floyd was a drug addled thug, career criminal, and ODing on fentanyl at the time of his death. Trayvon Martin was a wantabe gangster, thug, and happened to fuck with the wrong guy.

This kid made a mistake and rang the wrong doorbell. Or, is it your contention that every and all Blacks are thugs and criminals?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Every time a white cop shoots a black that question can also be asked. But the press never does.

Byrd did not follow his training on use of force.

Babbit at the time she was shot was somewhere between Green and Yellow on that scale. She wasn't assaulting anyone, was clearly unarmed, and in no position as she climbed through that window to suddenly attack Byrd or anyone else. He should have come out into the hallway, firearm in high ready, and gotten her attention then issued orders to her. If she continued forward, he could back to make distance and point his firearm at her, again giving verbal commands. If she continued forward, then he had reasonable conditions to "stop the action" and shoot her.

All of my training in this area says, I do the above, and if I shoot it is "center mass" (in the chest) and I fire, minimally, 3 rounds in quick, aimed, succession.

Byrd did none of that, then he fled the scene.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

He wasn't a threat. He rang the doorbell of an 86-year-old white racist and got shot twice for it. Cue the JPP white racists to say the 16-year-old honor student was a Black thug and then ramble mindlessly about Babbitt and Byrd in a thread that has nothing to do with them.

The stupidity that surrounds us is astounding.

You mean the thug and his family say he wasn't a threat. The old man says he was a threat and he was there. The press lies about everything.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Imagine if a white kid had just knocked on the door and an 86 year old black man shot him through the door?

Yup - the press would take the black guy's side completely just like they did with ashli killer michael byrd.