9 countries may lose religion, study says

And people wonder why we religious folk gripe and moan (and vote against someone) every time we hear someone say something like, "The United States needs to be more like ____________. (insert the name of some foreign country here....it seems preferable European)
 
This depnds on how you defeine Religon.

So if you look at what Religion was 500 years ago and compare it to what it is today you would say it is lost already in most industuralized nations. We do not have a State religion, and even those industuralized nations that do, do not practice it as it was practiced in the past. Nations are not longer the same thing as Religions. We as a people are not ruled by a religous orginization any longer unless we choose to be so ruled, and more and more people are waking to the knoledge that to be ruled by any orginization made up of people is not true religen as intended by almost any version of God.

The more educated people become the less relevant churches will be. When people wake to the idea of a direct relationship with God we will all be better off!
 
Dungheap said:
I'm sure there are poor women in Ireland that would disagree with you on that one.
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I'm just stating a fact, it is a similar case in Northern Ireland which although part of the UK has the same laws as Eire. Hence they end up going to England or Scotland instead and have them privately.

In 1967 one of the most important laws for women’s rights was passed. The 1967 Abortion Act made abortion under certain circumstances legal. This gave women a vital power over their own bodies and meant that women with crisis pregnancies had real options. Unfortunately unlike other laws, the Abortion Act was never extended to Northern Ireland when Direct Rule was implemented. This means that women in Northern Ireland have no legal access to abortion unless giving birth would kill them. Women who have been raped, are victims of incest or who are very young have no right to abortion. Women in Northern Ireland must travel abroad to have an abortion—and must pay to have the procedure privately instead of getting it on the NHS. To me this is a glaring inequality. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and people in Northern Ireland live under the same laws as people in England, Scotland and Wales. Maintaining different laws is like saying that women in Northern Ireland are second class citizens. In July 2008 I tabled an amendment to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill to extend the Abortion Act to Northern Ireland. Over the summer I received hundreds of letters and calls from women, and some men, in Northern Ireland supporting the extension to the Act. Unfortunately due to the way Ministers ordered the debate, there was not time to discuss or vote on my amendment. Thousands of women across the country have been campaigning on this issue for years and thousands of women from Northern Ireland end up having to pay up to £2,000 to have an abortion outside of Northern Ireland. I want to see that justice is done for these women.
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http://www.dianeabbott.org.uk/campaigns/abortion.aspx
 
General Chamberlain said:
Gotta seriously disagree with the prediction about Ireland (WTF?). They believe that because Ireland's unaffiliated percentage jumped 400% (0.4 to 4.2) from 1961-2006 that it represents a huge trend. Its the fucking postmodern era for crying out loud - of course the rate spiked, even for a country like Ireland!! Heaven, I believe Ireland even has abortion outlawed right now. If they make such lousy inferences with Ireland, what did they get wrong about the others, and why aren't places like France and Belgium on the list? But for the fact that the others are generally accepted as basket-cases...
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Shut up potato head.
 
General Chamberlain said:
Europe should go back to paganism. Its been a drag on the Church ever since Christianity was first preached to it, and now it can return to human sacrifices, barbarian raids, magic incantations, and getting conquered.
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Thats what we have Islam for......barbarism, getting 72 virgins, chanting Alla Akbar, and wearing explosive vests....
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I'm just stating a fact, it is a similar case in Northern Ireland which although part of the UK has the same laws as Eire. Hence they end up going to England or Scotland instead and have them privately.



http://www.dianeabbott.org.uk/campaigns/abortion.aspx
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I don't doubt that what you say is true. I just think poor Irish women who have to pay to travel to England to get an abortion, and those that can't afford to do so, likely wouldn't agree with you that the ability to travel to England to have an abortion if you have the means makes the abortion issue moot in Ireland.
 
Jarod said:
This depnds on how you defeine Religon.

So if you look at what Religion was 500 years ago and compare it to what it is today you would say it is lost already in most industuralized nations. We do not have a State religion, and even those industuralized nations that do, do not practice it as it was practiced in the past. Nations are not longer the same thing as Religions. We as a people are not ruled by a religous orginization any longer unless we choose to be so ruled, and more and more people are waking to the knoledge that to be ruled by any orginization made up of people is not true religen as intended by almost any version of God.

The more educated people become the less relevant churches will be. When people wake to the idea of a direct relationship with God we will all be better off!
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"Religion" has been with us since the beginning of human thought, whether you think its 10,000 or 30,000 years......Christianity for over 2000 years.....not a bad run.
 
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Dungheap said:
I don't doubt that what you say is true. I just think poor Irish women who have to pay to travel to England to get an abortion, and those that can't afford to do so, likely wouldn't agree with you that the ability to travel to England to have an abortion if you have the means makes the abortion issue moot in Ireland.
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Where did I say that was a good thing? I was just stating facts, I think it extremely shitty that they have to do that but that's the way it is.
 
bravo said:
"Religion" has been with us since the beginning of human thought, whether you thing its 10,000 or 30,000 years......Christianity for over 2000 years.....not a bad run.
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religion grew out of our inability to understand the world around us
 
Don Quixote said:
religion grew out of our inability to understand the world around us
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That it did.......and it seems the more we explore our surroundings, the more we realize how little we understand......

We don't even understand how or exactly why the pyramids were built more than 4000 or 5000 years ago.........
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Where did I say that was a good thing? I was just stating facts, I think it extremely shitty that they have to do that but that's the way it is.
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Where did I say that you said something was a good thing? I took issue with this statement: "Abortion is legal in Ireland if the women's life is at risk, it's a moot point anyway as most go to England to have abortions."

I don't think we are in disagreement.
 
bravo said:
That it did.......and it seems the more we explore our surroundings, the more we realize how little we understand......

We don't even understand how or exactly why the pyramids were built more than 4000 or 5000 years ago.........
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while our horizons are expanding due to greater understanding of how things work, some items still elude our understanding, but we have gotten a lot closer to the basics and no longer have to fear the thunder

although the forces of 'nature' are better understood, we still need to provide for them and weather satellites help a lot, but we are still working on earthquakes

but we no longer have to worship the unknown
 
Topspin said:
first off fuck you junior, secondly bachelors in accounting and an MBA from Loyola 3.88. No don't be a pussy and say you can't put up your numbers. If you can beat a graduate degree with a 3.88 good on ya.
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good on ya....huh ?....... must be a 3.88 on a scale of 0 to 10......it makes sense then.
 
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