A basic economic issue our society has lost its mind on

Craig234 said:
I care about policies, not parties, but the fact is that the right policies are closely aligned with one party, and that means a Democrat/Republican difference.

I'm open to criticism on various issues on welfare, but not when they're used as a weapon in the war for plutocracy. The imperfections in welfare are a drop in the bucket to big plutocracy issues. Fixing welfare and fighting plutocracy are not in conflict.

What we just had passed was a plutocrat Republican bill that lowers taxes on the richest-in-history wealth by $5 trillion MORE by adding $1.5 trillion to our debt and cutting Medicaid by $1 trillion from the status quo plans and other cuts for the people.

That is not justifiable in any whatsoever by citing flaws in welfare.

It is simply a massive wealth grab and redistribution that will kill many people and impoverish many.
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Democrats are just a strong big of corporate welfare supporters as republicans. They just have different priorities where they want it used. Unless it's something like the Ex-Im Bank which is bi-partisan corporate welfare.

The issue with welfare is another discussion but it depends on what your goal is with the programs. But most people I would believe don't think 100% marginal rate on someone is helpful to them
 
Craig234 said:
That is ALL the right wing really is today - a synonym for plutocrat. 'The government' can increase inequality or equality depending who it's serving - it doesn't necessarily do either. Currently it represents plutocrats. The answer is to change who it represents, not to remove the chance of the people having a government represent them. The welfare system makes it far easier - even possible - for people to leave poverty, you're wrong about that.
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Yeah? Tell that to the families who have had MULTIPLE generations on the government tit. President Ronald Reagan was correct when he said that "government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem" Nothing good, or right can ever come out of government.
 
Boris The Animal said:
Yeah? Tell that to the families who have had MULTIPLE generations on the government tit. President Ronald Reagan was correct when he said that "government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem" Nothing good, or right can ever come out of government.
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And yet, you take whatever you can get from government. You couldn't survive without one, fucktard.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
No doubt. Living in a rural place for one year, after having spent a lifetime in an urban/suburban environment, instantly transforms one into a drooling idiot like yourself. Got it.
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I know, right?.......of course I've only known you since October.....you may have been a drooling idiot for a long time.......
 
Craig234 said:
cawacko said:
Democrats are just a strong big of corporate welfare supporters as republicans.]/quote]

No, they're not.
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Here is a dirty little secret for ya. Big corporations LOVE regulations because it creates barriers to entry for startups meaning less competition, meaning BIG corporations don’t have to work as hard to earn and keep customers

Now who is the party of regulation?
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cawacko said:
No? Bernie says they are supporters of corporate welfare. You think he's wrong? Again, Ex-Im Bank, farm subsidies (on the national level) many more on the state level...
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They're not perfect, you wrongly exaggerate that to be equal to Republicans. Show me where Bernie says they're equal to Republicans - as you claimed. You can't.
 
Craig234 said:
They're not perfect, you wrongly exaggerate that to be equal to Republicans. Show me where Bernie says they're equal to Republicans - as you claimed. You can't.
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What's your basis for saying they aren't equal? Is there a quantifiable way to measure?
 
cawacko said:
What's your basis for saying they aren't equal? Is there a quantifiable way to measure?
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Yes. It'll take you a little effort. Total up the donations from corporations, look at the policies - include things like the #1 corporate interest group, ALEC, and how Republican state legislatures get up to 30% of their bills handed to them by ALEC.
 
That what you think? The execs have their pay determined by a compensation committee. That committee has member that are execs like them. They have people on it they owe their jobs to the exec. Odd, they never get a pay cut. In 2008 when the banks were failing by the boatload, they still got full pay and bonuses. They also kept their jobs . They have rigged that system too.

Galbraith called execs ratifiers. They claim to make tough decisions, but they have a staff that goes through the options minutely. Every possibility checked. Then it is presented to the excec who signs to the one offered as the best. He does not gather the data. Often he does not understand it.

I read that the top execs are most like the head of the fraternity in college. A glad hands type ho is gregarious and outgoing. Knows how to please people and play them.
 
Craig234 said:
Yes. It'll take you a little effort. Total up the donations from corporations, look at the policies - include things like the #1 corporate interest group, ALEC, and how Republican state legislatures get up to 30% of their bills handed to them by ALEC.
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Donations from corporations doesn't mean corporate welfare. ALEC doesn't mean corporate welfare. I'm talking policies like Ex-Im Bank, farm subsidies etc
 
Nordberg said:
That what you think? The execs have their pay determined by a compensation committee. That committee has member that are execs like them. They have people on it they owe their jobs to the exec. Odd, they never get a pay cut. In 2008 when the banks were failing by the boatload, they still got full pay and bonuses. They also kept their jobs . They have rigged that system too.

Galbraith called execs ratifiers. They claim to make tough decisions, but they have a staff that goes through the options minutely. Every possibility checked. Then it is presented to the excec who signs to the one offered as the best. He does not gather the data. Often he does not understand it.

I read that the top execs are most like the head of the fraternity in college. A glad hands type ho is gregarious and outgoing. Knows how to please people and play them.
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You weren't in a frat huh?
 
People on this thread keep doing the same thing. I know a guy who makes money and he deserves it. There fore the whole premise is wrong. Quit that. It proves nothing of the sort. An incident does not disprove a rule.
 
Nordberg said:
People on this thread keep doing the same thing. I know a guy who makes money and he deserves it. There fore the whole premise is wrong. Quit that. It proves nothing of the sort. An incident does not disprove a rule.
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Most people don't earn the money they have? That's the type of comment that generally comes from one who doesn't make any money.
 
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