A bathroom sticker campaign

[LichGold]

trump's campaign wanted a "boys versus girls" campaign, where men would threaten women into voting for trump.

Well there has been an underground women's campaign against this. It is playing out in the women's bathrooms where stickers like this are appearing.

I do not think any of us know how much this will add to Harris' vote, but it will add to Harris' vote.

Literally encouraging division right down to the home.

What was a better solution to a 51yo wedge issue than putting abortion up to states rights?

Democrats can't let wedge issues go because no one would vote for a hoard of soulless criminals without a wedge issue pressed up to their heads.

 

[Into the Night]

That is why we don't use it to make gas , it is too expensive to use it for gas , using it for gas would actually drive up the cost of gas NOT reduce it.

So producing a product makes it more expensive????? You are really clueless, Tball.

Any crude oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons, and is fractioned the same way regardless of the where the hydrocarbon comes from. It's all used to make gasoline, diesel oil, asphalt, kerosene, plastics, fuel oil, etc. Refineries don't care where the hydrocarbons come from.

 

[Into the Night]

That's exactly what it means, because politics is such that understanding means nothing. People will vote the way they vote. Little boys love trump. They don't care if it means their wife might die.

Why would their wife die if they vote for Trump, Sybil?

 

[Into the Night]

IMO, he's running because he wants to stay out of prison. I suspect that, if elected, one of his first acts will be to pardon himself.

Trump has committed no crime, Sybil.

He'll wrap it up in pardoning all the 1/6 terrorists and traitors along with his cohorts, but his primary concern will always be to save his own ass.

They aren't in jail, Sybil. They were never prosecuted.

That won't save him from state charges,

There is no crime, Sybil.

but he'll delay adjudication for four years as President and then use the money he makes off the RNC, donations and the millions he'll off being in office to delay state charges until he's to old to be charged.

Charged with what crime, Sybil?

 

[RB 60]

Of course you would support criminals who plan on committing more crimes. It fits your profile, Arbie.

What crimes might those be? Be specific, coward. What crimes fit my profile, coward?

 

[Tbird19482]

So producing a product makes it more expensive????? You are really clueless, Tball.

Any crude oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons, and is fractioned the same way regardless of the where the hydrocarbon comes from. It's all used to make gasoline, diesel oil, asphalt, kerosene, plastics, fuel oil, etc. Refineries don't care where the hydrocarbons come from.

WHEN the FUCK are YOU EVER going to start doing a LITTLE just a LITTLE RESEARCH before you post and stop making your self look like the ASSHOLE you are?
TAR SAND oil is NOT used in the USA to make the type of gas we use ASSHOLE.
Tar sand " oil " is NOT like oil we PUMP out of the ground it is a really thick goo that has to be heated and thinned out just to make plastics, Tar sand oil is actually MINED they do NOT drill for it like regular oil.
GOOGLE CAN be your FRIEND.

 

[Althea]

It's that kind of hyperbole that loses people on an issue. Here in AZ right now there is Prop 134 on the ballot to legalize late term abortion on demand. The proponents of this proposition are running ads that LIE about Arizona's current laws on abortion. They say abortions are illegal in Arizona. They aren't. The legislature has already passed a law allowing abortion on demand to 15 weeks in a pregnancy and to protect the life of the mother, in rape cases, etc., beyond that.
The law the Prop 134's want is to extend that to 26 weeks on demand and then eventually to just before birth. They are lying about what laws exist and what their proposition is about.

I'm in favor of a 15 week limit unless there are medical complications. I'm not familiar with Az law, but given your history here I'm not so sure I'll take your word for it. Feel free to link me if you have it handy. I just read prop 134, and it has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with how ballot initiatives are brought to a vote.

 

[Into the Night]

WHEN the FUCK are YOU EVER going to start doing a LITTLE just a LITTLE RESEARCH before you post and stop making your self look like the ASSHOLE you are?

Your continued denial of chemistry is YOUR problem, Tball.

TAR SAND oil is NOT used in the USA to make the type of gas we use ASSHOLE.

Yes it is.

Tar sand " oil " is NOT like oil we PUMP out of the ground

Yes it is. A hydrocarbon is a hydrocarbon.

it is a really thick goo that has to be heated

All crude oil is heated, Tball. That's part of the fractioning process.

and thinned out just to make plastics,

It doesn't need to be 'thinned out' at all.

Tar sand oil is actually MINED they do NOT drill for it like regular oil.

Makes no difference.

GOOGLE CAN be your FRIEND.

Google is not God nor a reference, Tball.

 

[Into the Night]

It's that kind of hyperbole that loses people on an issue. Here in AZ right now there is Prop 134 on the ballot to legalize late term abortion on demand. The proponents of this proposition are running ads that LIE about Arizona's current laws on abortion. They say abortions are illegal in Arizona. They aren't. The legislature has already passed a law allowing abortion on demand to 15 weeks in a pregnancy and to protect the life of the mother, in rape cases, etc., beyond that.
The law the Prop 134's want is to extend that to 26 weeks on demand and then eventually to just before birth. They are lying about what laws exist and what their proposition is about.

Prop 139. I know there are a lot of propositions on the ballot in AZ right now, it's pretty easy to get the number wrong.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm in favor of a 15 week limit unless there are medical complications. I'm not familiar with Az law, but given your history here I'm not so sure I'll take your word for it. Feel free to link me if you have it handy. I just read prop 134, and it has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with how ballot initiatives are brought to a vote.

It took me about a minute to get the correct proposition number that he's talking about. His argument still stands. It's prop 139, not 134.

 

[Tbird19482]

Your continued denial of chemistry is YOUR problem, Tball.

Yes it is.

Yes it is. A hydrocarbon is a hydrocarbon.

All crude oil is heated, Tball. That's part of the fractioning process.

It doesn't need to be 'thinned out' at all.

Makes no difference.

Google is not God nor a reference, Tball.

Well YOU don't know dick shit about TAR SAND OIL so IF you did just a LITTLE research on the subject YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING you FUCKING MORON.

 

[Into the Night]

Well YOU don't know dick shit about TAR SAND OIL

Fixation. Hydrocarbons are hydrocarbons. There is nothing special about where they come from.

so IF you did just a LITTLE research on the subject YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING you FUCKING MORON.

Your denial of chemistry is YOUR problem, Tball.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm in favor of a 15 week limit unless there are medical complications. I'm not familiar with Az law, but given your history here I'm not so sure I'll take your word for it. Feel free to link me if you have it handy. I just read prop 134, and it has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with how ballot initiatives are brought to a vote.

I too have no problems with Arizona law as written. I do have problem with second and third trimester abortion on demand. Sorry, numerical dyslexia strikes again. It is prop 139.

Proposition 139: Arizona voters could enshrine right to an abortion in state constitution

Arizonans vote on one of the highest-profile issues this election cycle and one that has the potential to boost pro-abortion rights candidates.

www.usatoday.com

Note how the Useless News Today article only mentions right at the end that current Arizona law allows for 15 weeks abortion on demand after spending the whole column enthusiastically trumpeting prop 139 as necessary for Arizona to allow abortions.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There is no room for more drilling. We are at peak capacity and the world doesn't need more oil. If not for our production, OPEC+ would have us over a barrel. trump just spews talking points that mean nothing, and the MAGA crowd actually believes it.

He'll mention Keystone XL, but that's never going to happen. He had 4 years, and got nothing built because you simply cannot steal peoples' land for a pipeline that has no benefit to this nation. Canada is now using the Trans Mt. pipeline, which gets the same amount of sludge into the open market.

We don't need Keystone XL.

If refineries in the Great Lakes area that refine the tar sand oil from Canada stop, Canada has already indicated they will sell that oil product to China who will buy it and refine it there. So, Canada will not stop production if the US doesn't refine the product and the oil will still be produced elsewhere.

As for US production, we could be producing more but the big bottleneck here is increasingly lack of refinery capacity. The EPA and states like California are going after the refineries making production too expensive to continue. Philips 66 (Conoco) is shutting down their California refinery solely due to asininity from the Left politically in that state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/16/phillips-66-california-refinery-closure-00184058

The Democrats and Left in California are pushing to end all refinery capacity there. It is absolutely insane on their part.

 

[Althea]

I too have no problems with Arizona law as written. I do have problem with second and third trimester abortion on demand. Sorry, numerical dyslexia strikes again. It is prop 139.

Proposition 139: Arizona voters could enshrine right to an abortion in state constitution

Arizonans vote on one of the highest-profile issues this election cycle and one that has the potential to boost pro-abortion rights candidates.

www.usatoday.com

Note how the Useless News Today article only mentions right at the end that current Arizona law allows for 15 weeks abortion on demand after spending the whole column enthusiastically trumpeting prop 139 as necessary for Arizona to allow abortions.

I'm not a fan of USA today, but the only thing I saw that specifically references 139 is this:

After the point at which a fetus is viable, the Arizona proposition allows abortions when necessary to protect the life, physical or mental health of the pregnant person.

That doesn't sound like 'abortion on demand up to the time of birth'.


Unless someone is going to make the case for an extreme late term abortion for mental health reasons?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm not a fan of USA today, but the only thing I saw that specifically references 139 is this:

After the point at which a fetus is viable, the Arizona proposition allows abortions when necessary to protect the life, physical or mental health of the pregnant person.

That doesn't sound like 'abortion on demand up to the time of birth'.


Unless someone is going to make the case for an extreme late term abortion for mental health reasons?

That is other wording for 24 weeks, the earliest point a fetus is viable, currently. The proposition is unnecessary because Arizona law already allows up to 15 weeks. Worse supporters of that proposition are advertising that Arizona doesn't allow abortions at all currently and imply that it is a blanket ban. They are LYING in their ads.

 

[Althea]

If refineries in the Great Lakes area that refine the tar sand oil from Canada stop, Canada has already indicated they will sell that oil product to China who will buy it and refine it there. So, Canada will not stop production if the US doesn't refine the product and the oil will still be produced elsewhere.

As for US production, we could be producing more but the big bottleneck here is increasingly lack of refinery capacity. The EPA and states like California are going after the refineries making production too expensive to continue. Philips 66 (Conoco) is shutting down their California refinery solely due to asininity from the Left politically in that state.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/16/phillips-66-california-refinery-closure-00184058

The Democrats and Left in California are pushing to end all refinery capacity there. It is absolutely insane on their part.

Given that all petro products are sold on the open market, China taking it is fine. Same end result, and they can go through the hassle of refining tar sands.

Post WW2 oil policy is antiquated, and in need of change. When Saudi Arabia found an ocean of oil beneath their feet, we were happy to move in with out technology for drilling. We cut back domestic production and relied on cheap Mid East oil.

Our oil is light sweet crude. Overseas oil is sour crude. We are set up only to refine the latter. Which is why we ship ours abroad, and import the other. We need to retool our refineries in order to process our own oil.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Given that all petro products are sold on the open market, China taking it is fine. Same end result, and they can go through the hassle of refining tar sands.

Post WW2 oil policy is antiquated, and in need of change. When Saudi Arabia found an ocean of oil beneath their feet, we were happy to move in with out technology for drilling. We cut back domestic production and relied on cheap Mid East oil.

Our oil is light sweet crude. Overseas oil is sour crude. We are set up only to refine the latter. Which is why we ship ours abroad, and import the other. We need to retool our refineries in order to process our own oil.

Actually, it varies. Some refineries can refine other types as shown by the refineries in the Great Lakes region that do tar sand oil, or one or two in Texas that can--but currently aren't--refine Venezuelan heavy crude. It's just a matter of what they have as a source for refining.

As for Saudi oil, the British (BP), followed by the US (Texaco), found oil in the Middle East in the 1920's and started working to produce it as a product for market. There was no cutback on domestic production until well into the 80's in the US as older wells started to run dry. Fracking opened those older wells to economic production and led to a second oil boom in the US, among other places.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What crimes might those be? Be specific, coward. What crimes fit my profile, coward?

For you, Arbie? Petty shit. Stealing, cheating, lying. Like Hillary and Donnie; not all crimes are prosecutable.

Are you now going to accuse me of being a lying coward who attacked your mother? LOL

 

[Into the Night]

What crimes might those be? Be specific, coward. What crimes fit my profile, coward?

Sybil is just trying to project his own problems on you again. He's the one calling for civil war.