A challenge for people who still believe in the "TOTALITARIAN LEFT"

[StoneByStone]

I don't think that they do. I think your assessment of the right's assessment is every bit as nearsighted is you believe their assessment of the left is.

Spend enough time on this forum and you'll see this accusation all the time. There's even a thread going around called "Authoritarianism on the Left."

I think that view is misguided. It is an appeal to majority which is a logical fallacy. Just because a group's numbers are low doesn't mean it's influence is tiny. She views have had a large impact on our culture.

That's why I'm asking for examples of Cancel Culture. The fact that I haven't gotten any shows that the SJW influence is tiny, as is the SJW population.

 

[StoneByStone]

what else could it be? Maybe they want the country to adhere more to biblical prescriptions. I think it's naive to say that they want that because they hate gays. I don't think that's true anyway.

That's obviously bullshit because no sane adult actually believes in their own religion. That's why religious people pick and choose which parts of their religion to practice.
If these people didn't hate gays, they would simply ignore Christianity's homophobia like they ignore everything else in Christianity that they don't like.

how does someone believing that homosexuality is sinful oppress people?

It doesn't until that person acts on said belief. Conservatives who "believe" it's a sin often try to create policy that limits the civil liberties, or even civil rights, of gays.

You will have to explain to me what anti-gay means. do they want to imprison all gay people do they want to exterminate all gay people? further you'll have to explain how people hold hateful views and how you know that.

No, but they still want gays to be second-class citizens by limiting their liberties.
The Right will sometimes use the argument that gays have it good in America because Iran throws gay people off buildings. This is a fallacy because it's saying we can't have homophobia because this other country has worse homophobia.

I'm not going to tell what's in the mind of other people because I disagree with something. I am a gay person and I at one time didn't want to be. I understand gay people wanting to go get converted. I think it's unhealthy and I think it's wrong of the gay people that offer the service because they're almost always gay, but I can't tell someone else what to do.

Which is why we agree that conversion therapy should be legal. In a free country, we can't force other people to do what we want.
However, when people like Pence promote conversion therapy, which he knows is harmful, he's harming gay people. And he's doing this either because he hates gays or because he's willing to make money off of people who do. Either way, he can be called anti-gay.

Well I'm a gay man and I've struggled with this and it's not because of other people it's because of biology. I can remember being a teenager and wishing I was normal. And you can say all day that I was but I wasn't and I knew that. Wasn't because of religion it wasn't because of my parents. It was because two men cannot make a baby.

I'm sure there are lots of kids who think that way. However, when adults claim they think homosexuality is wrong because of religion, they're lying, plain and simple. They're either lying to you or lying to themselves.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Spend enough time on this forum and you'll see this accusation all the time. There's even a thread going around called "Authoritarianism on the Left."

there is authoritarianism on the left there is also authoritarianism on the right too.

That's why I'm asking for examples of Cancel Culture. The fact that I haven't gotten any shows that the SJW influence is tiny, as is the SJW population.

You aren't asking for examples of cancel culture you're asking for two very specific very narrow examples I can think of multiple examples that don't fit that specific.

 

[Arks&sparka]

That's obviously bullshit because no sane adult actually believes in their own religion.

are you suggesting anyone who has religious conviction is insane?

That's why religious people pick and choose which parts of their religion to practice.

what do you mean picks and chooses parts of their religion to practice?

If these people didn't hate gays, they would simply ignore Christianity's homophobia like they ignore everything else in Christianity that they don't like.

Which people?

It doesn't until that person acts on said belief. Conservatives who "believe" it's a sin often try to create policy that limits the civil liberties, or even civil rights, of gays.

What policies are those?

No, but they still want gays to be second-class citizens by limiting their liberties.

limiting their liberties how installing a curfew not letting them by certain cars or participate in certain parts of the economy what do you mean by limiting liberties what liberties?

The Right will sometimes use the argument that gays have it good in America because Iran throws gay people off buildings. This is a fallacy because it's saying we can't have homophobia because this other country has worse homophobia.

you keep mentioning limiting liberties what is a straight person allowed to do that a gay person is not?

Which is why we agree that conversion therapy should be legal. In a free country, we can't force other people to do what we want.
However, when people like Pence promote conversion therapy, which he knows is harmful, he's harming gay people.

I don't necessarily agree. just like meat criticizing him for promoting it doesn't harm people that promote it you should have the right to do that. just like you should have the right to talk about flat Earth or whatever other nonsense you believe because we have the First Amendment. That same exact law so gives me the ability to criticize then to try and talk people out of it.

And he's doing this either because he hates gays or because he's willing to make money off of people who do. Either way, he can be called anti-gay.

Maybe, some people that promote this kind of thing say they're doing it out of love because they want you to be converted so that you can get into heaven. how to say they are motivated by hate is to be rather near-sighted. it's to say that everyone you don't agree with is a monster that's a slippery slope into narcissism.

I'm sure there are lots of kids who think that way. However, when adults claim they think homosexuality is wrong because of religion, they're lying, plain and simple. They're either lying to you or lying to themselves.

So is this because nobody really believes in religion or because religion doesn't really say it's wrong? Why are they like explain please.

 

[StoneByStone]

You aren't asking for examples of cancel culture you're asking for two very specific very narrow examples I can think of multiple examples that don't fit that specific.

Ok, give me some examples of Cancel Culture.
Remember, Cancel Culture is when someone loses their career. It is NOT when someone receives backlash.

 

[StoneByStone]

are you suggesting anyone who has religious conviction is insane?
what do you mean picks and chooses parts of their religion to practice?

Yes. If you sincerely believe there is an invisible man living in the sky, you're insane. Now I understand belief is not black and white. A person can feel like something can be true without fully believing it. Basically, belief is a spectrum. However, if a person is all the way on the side of "there is definitely a god" then that person is crazy.
This is why religious people pick and choose. According to the Bible, it's a major sin to shave your beard. So why do Christians shave? Because they know the Bible is bullshit, so they simply ignore the parts they don't like. The ones who oppose gay marriage do so for one of two reasons. Either they hate gays and want them to be second-class citizens, or they don't care about civil liberties for gays, so they're willing to just go along with anti-gay laws.

What policies are those?

At one point, it was illegal to have any gay relations in several states. This is why gay bars used to be raided and the people in there beaten and arrested.
And of course, there's the laws against sodomy and refusal to recognize gay marriage.

I don't necessarily agree. just like meat criticizing him for promoting it doesn't harm people that promote it you should have the right to do that. just like you should have the right to talk about flat Earth or whatever other nonsense you believe because we have the First Amendment. That same exact law so gives me the ability to criticize then to try and talk people out of it.
Maybe, some people that promote this kind of thing say they're doing it out of love because they want you to be converted so that you can get into heaven. how to say they are motivated by hate is to be rather near-sighted. it's to say that everyone you don't agree with is a monster that's a slippery slope into narcissism.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right to do so. I'm just saying I agree with the boycott of Chick-Fil-A. I don't think it's an SJW thing, I think it's a reasonable reaction.
Like I said, I don't believe adults actually believe in things like that. And I don't think anyone who disagrees with me is a monster. I never called someone a monster for disagreeing with my economic ideas and I wouldn't boycott a company for opposing UBI. But when it comes to donating money for conversion therapy, I don't think a company like that should be supported.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Ok, give me some examples of Cancel Culture.
Remember, Cancel Culture is when someone loses their career. It is NOT when someone receives backlash.

What do you mean by loses their career? What is that the only lost you recognize?

 

[Arks&sparka]

Yes. If you sincerely believe there is an invisible man living in the sky, you're insane.

I don't think anybody believes in invisible Man In The sky I haven't heard of that belief in any religion so I have no idea what you're talkin about. This does seem to be a reductive view on religion. But that's not what people believe.

Now I understand belief is not black and white. A person can feel like something can be true without fully believing it. Basically, belief is a spectrum. However, if a person is all the way on the side of "there is definitely a god" then that person is crazy.

why is that person crazy? what authority do you have to label someone crazy or is it just your opinion?

This is why religious people pick and choose. According to the Bible, it's a major sin to shave your beard. So why do Christians shave? Because they know the Bible is bullshit, so they simply ignore the parts they don't like.

I think you're confusing Christians with Jewish people. As far as Christianity goes Jesus came and created a new covenant that means Christians don't have to follow Leviticus or older Jewish laws anymore. The shellfish they work on Sunday all that sort of thing. that's not picking and choosing parts of the Bible you want to believe that's following the New covenant.

The ones who oppose gay marriage do so for one of two reasons. Either they hate gays and want them to be second-class citizens, or they don't care about civil liberties for gays, so they're willing to just go along with anti-gay laws.

what anti-gay laws?

At one point, it was illegal to have any gay relations in several states. This is why gay bars used to be raided and the people in there beaten and arrested.

show me these laws or at least an example or two.

And of course, there's the laws against sodomy and refusal to recognize gay marriage.

I'm sorry marriage is not a civil liberty it is a privilege you have that you have to ask for. And wait for them to Grant it.

Sodomy does not apply only to gay people. you can make the argument that they used it to Target gay people which I agree with but it wasn't the law so you would know homosexuality allowed.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right to do so. I'm just saying I agree with the boycott of Chick-Fil-A. I don't think it's an SJW thing, I think it's a reasonable reaction.

as far as people voting with their dollar that's called free market capitalism and I don't have a problem with it. It doesn't matter not to eat at Chick fila or to eat there.

Like I said, I don't believe adults actually believe in things like that.

What makes you think that.

And I don't think anyone who disagrees with me is a monster. I never called someone a monster for disagreeing with my economic ideas and I wouldn't boycott a company for opposing UBI.

but you did call them crazy and liars for disagreeing with you on phone issues.

But when it comes to donating money for conversion therapy, I don't think a company like that should be supported.

Good for you then don't support them. If you attack others for going there and buying their product you are being an sjw. That's not being able to tolerate opinions other than yours. some people don't go to Chick-fil-A because they support conversion therapy or whatever, not everyone let's politics permeate their life that much. they go there because they like the food.

if you take someone else's behavior that has nothing to do with you like worshiping their God or buying fried Chicken at a certain place you are being an sjw. That's what that is.

 

[StoneByStone]

What do you mean by loses their career? What is that the only lost you recognize?

It's not the only loss I recognize, but that's what Cancel Culture is. It's when a celebrity can no longer get work because of something they said.

 

[Arks&sparka]

It's not the only loss I recognize, but that's what Cancel Culture is. It's when a celebrity can no longer get work because of something they said.

So celebrities are the only people that can lose their careers?

It's just far to narrow a definition and therefore I disagree with it.

Cancel culture can involve more than celebrities, you can lose without losing your entire career.

So I'm sorry I don't agree with your definition of cancel culture.

The CEO of Mozilla was canceled, he lost a career as CEO of Mozilla. Random bakers and florists lose their businesses.

Those things are also cancel culture.

 

[Scut Farkus]

ive never seen more mobile goalposts than on this thread.

 

[StoneByStone]

So celebrities are the only people that can lose their careers?

It's just far to narrow a definition and therefore I disagree with it.

Cancel culture can involve more than celebrities, you can lose without losing your entire career.

So I'm sorry I don't agree with your definition of cancel culture.

The CEO of Mozilla was canceled, he lost a career as CEO of Mozilla. Random bakers and florists lose their businesses.

Those things are also cancel culture.

"Cancel Culture" refers to celebrities.

It also refers to people being cancelled due to harmless things they said that snowflakes got offended by, such as jokes.
Brendan Eich deserved to lose his job because he wasn't joking, he actually is anti-gay.
Now compare that to Dave Chappelle who got some backlash because of jokes he told about gays and trannies. The reason Chappelle still has his career is because most of us know he was just joking. The SJW snowflakes got mad, but the vast majority of Liberals still like him because we the jokes.

This is what Anti-SJW dipshits don't understand. We're not offended by jokes, we're offended by actual fucked up views.

 

[StoneByStone]

ive never seen more mobile goalposts than on this thread.

No, what's happening is people are answering questions that I didn't ask.
I'm asking for examples of Cancel Culture. I'm NOT asking for examples of people getting backlash. I'm also not asking for examples of people losing their jobs over actual repugnant views.
I'm asking for examples of celebrities losing their careers over controversial things they're said. That's Cancel Culture.

 

[Scut Farkus]

No, what's happening is people are answering questions that I didn't ask.
I'm asking for examples of Cancel Culture. I'm NOT asking for examples of people getting backlash. I'm also not asking for examples of people losing their jobs over actual repugnant views.
I'm asking for examples of celebrities losing their careers over controversial things they're said. That's Cancel Culture.

you can call it backlash if you want. we'll call it meaningful backlash, or cancel culture. you're just gonna have to deal.

 

[Arks&sparka]

"Cancel Culture" refers to celebrities.

according to whom?

It also refers to people being cancelled due to harmless things they said that snowflakes got offended by, such as jokes.
Brendan Eich deserved to lose his job because he wasn't joking, he actually is anti-gay.

you'll have to explain to me why people with differing opinions deserve to be punished in a society that's not totalitarian.

Now compare that to Dave Chappelle who got some backlash because of jokes he told about gays and trannies. The reason Chappelle still has his career is because most of us know he was just joking. The SJW snowflakes got mad, but the vast majority of Liberals still like him because we the jokes.

so it's okay if Chappelle has a different opinion because he's famous?

I'm sorry I'm not interested in the celebrity worship culture and I think it's a bit sycophantic.

This is what Anti-SJW dipshits don't understand. We're not offended by jokes, we're offended by actual fucked up views.

And that's why it's totalitarian. People you disagree with are fucked up because you disagree with them. This is at the extreme of intolerance.

 

[StoneByStone]

you can call it backlash if you want. we'll call it meaningful backlash, or cancel culture. you're just gonna have to deal.

Well sure, if you change the definition of Cancel Culture, you can find plenty of examples of it.

 

[Scut Farkus]

Well sure, if you change the definition of Cancel Culture, you can find plenty of examples of it.

it is the intent of the sjws to commit full cancel. think of it that way if you must, or keep looking crazy and detached from reality.

 

[StoneByStone]

according to whom?

According to the community that uses the term. That's how terms are defined. Who gets to decide what an SJW is? We go by the majority of people using the term. It's like that with anything.

you'll have to explain to me why people with differing opinions deserve to be punished in a society that's not totalitarian.

They don't. But there are certain opinions that are bad enough that people who have them should be ostracized. If a person says we should bring back slavery, that's not a normal opinion. That person should be viewed as fucked up.

so it's okay if Chappelle has a different opinion because he's famous?

You're missing the point. Chappelle was JOKING. He doesn't really have hateful opinions about gays or trannies, so that's why he wasn't cancelled.

 

[Scut Farkus]

According to the community that uses the term. That's how terms are defined. Who gets to decide what an SJW is? We go by the majority of people using the term. It's like that with anything.



They don't.But there are certain opinions that are bad enough that people who have them should be ostracized.

bolded portion is the heart of cancel culture. you really are just playing word games.

If a person says we should bring back slavery, that's not a normal opinion. That person should be viewed as fucked up.



You're missing the point. Chappelle was JOKING. He doesn't really have hateful opinions about gays or trannies, so that's why he wasn't cancelled.

the people who use the term get to decide?

take your meds psycho.

 

[Arks&sparka]

According to the community that uses the term. That's how terms are defined. Who gets to decide what an SJW is? We go by the majority of people using the term. It's like that with anything.

A majority of the people aren't using it based on your arbitrary definition.

They don't. But there are certain opinions that are bad enough that people who have them should be ostracized.

Beliefs like the idea that a particular race is inferior, or that it's okay to murder certain people sure. The idea that same sex couple's marraige shouldn't be recognized by the state? That isn't the kind if view that you should be ostracised for. I don't believe the state sould recognize any marraige

If a person says we should bring back slavery, that's not a normal opinion. That person should be viewed as fucked up.

And they universally are.

You're missing the point. Chappelle was JOKING. He doesn't really have hateful opinions about gays or trannies, so that's why he wasn't cancelled.

So if he did he should be cancelled? Because people you disagree with should be ostracised?

How is that not totalitarian?