A Deeper dive into Mamdani grocery stores...

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So we do not have to talk about the Trump Admin looking to use tax payer to buy huge money loser Spirit Airlines who will then compete private airlines, and adding that stake to the earlier equity purchases by the Trump Admin in Intel Corp, MP Materials, Lithium Americas, Trilogy Metals, Westinghouse, Vulcan Elements, and U.S. Steel.

Wait, what .... a huge taxpayer purchase of a failing cash sink airline we are all talking about (well not 'all', as @Damocles , @T. A. Gardner , @FastLane , etc will have no comment on this as only grocery stores are bad and all else good) and that is on news segments now...

A quick summary if you do not know before getting back to the topic...


How A Fuel Crisis Pushed Spirit Airlines Toward Government Ownership​


...the Trump administration was negotiating a $500 million rescue package for Spirit Airlines, in a deal that could give Washington the option to control as much as 90% of the twice-bankrupt low-cost carrier ...

It’s a remarkable development, and one I believe investors should be aware of. Not because Spirit itself is a compelling investment—at this point, it’s anything but...


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Ok so now we know about the Trump gov't movement to buy it lets get back to the topic and talk about how Mamdani is a terrible socialist ruining the free markets and will destroy other private businesses who have to compete against the companies using gov't dollars.
 
QP! said:
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So we do not have to talk about the Trump Admin looking to use tax payer to buy huge money loser Spirit Airlines who will then compete private airlines, and adding that stake to the earlier equity purchases by the Trump Admin in Intel Corp, MP Materials, Lithium Americas, Trilogy Metals, Westinghouse, Vulcan Elements, and U.S. Steel.

Wait, what .... a huge taxpayer purchase of a failing cash sink airline we are all talking about (well not 'all', as @Damocles , @T. A. Gardner , @FastLane , etc will have no comment on this as only grocery stores are bad and all else good) and that is on news segments now...

A quick summary if you do not know before getting back to the topic...


How A Fuel Crisis Pushed Spirit Airlines Toward Government Ownership​


...the Trump administration was negotiating a $500 million rescue package for Spirit Airlines, in a deal that could give Washington the option to control as much as 90% of the twice-bankrupt low-cost carrier ...

It’s a remarkable development, and one I believe investors should be aware of. Not because Spirit itself is a compelling investment—at this point, it’s anything but...


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Ok so now we know about the Trump gov't movement to buy it lets get back to the topic and talk about how Mamdani is a terrible socialist ruining the free markets and will destroy other private businesses who have to compete against the companies using gov't dollars.
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We should let Spirit die a painful and horrible death. I've never flown it for good reason. Horror stories abound about how bad the service is, how shit the flights are, and such.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
We should let Spirit die a painful and horrible death. I've never flown it for good reason. Horror stories abound about how bad the service is, how shit the flights are, and such.
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So you are against this communist, socialist ONGOING spree by the Trump admin which is seeing taxpayer money and gov't ownership in NUMEROUS industries and businesses in ways the US has not seen in the modern age... as well as being against Mamdani's grocery stores which are FAR LESS impactful to the US?
 
QP! said:
So you are against this communist, socialist ONGOING spree by the Trump admin which is seeing taxpayer money and gov't ownership in NUMEROUS industries and businesses in ways the US has not seen in the modern age... as well as being against Mamdani's grocery stores which are FAR LESS impactful to the US?
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In this case, yes, I am against it. Spirit makes Greyhound bus look like premier service. Airlines come and go. If Spirit goes there's still Frontier. Same business model, only not quite as bad.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In this case, yes, I am against it. Spirit makes Greyhound bus look like premier service. Airlines come and go. If Spirit goes there's still Frontier. Same business model, only not quite as bad.
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Great.

Glad you are willing to admit this Trump admin is making what you guys point out as Mamdani socialism and danger to private businesses, look tame in comparison.

Trump is showing no signs of slowing this consistent run of socialist corporate investments.
 
QP! said:
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So we do not have to talk about the Trump Admin looking to use tax payer to buy huge money loser Spirit Airlines who will then compete private airlines, and adding that stake to the earlier equity purchases by the Trump Admin in Intel Corp, MP Materials, Lithium Americas, Trilogy Metals, Westinghouse, Vulcan Elements, and U.S. Steel.

Wait, what .... a huge taxpayer purchase of a failing cash sink airline we are all talking about (well not 'all', as @Damocles , @T. A. Gardner , @FastLane , etc will have no comment on this as only grocery stores are bad and all else good) and that is on news segments now...

A quick summary if you do not know before getting back to the topic...


How A Fuel Crisis Pushed Spirit Airlines Toward Government Ownership​


...the Trump administration was negotiating a $500 million rescue package for Spirit Airlines, in a deal that could give Washington the option to control as much as 90% of the twice-bankrupt low-cost carrier ...

It’s a remarkable development, and one I believe investors should be aware of. Not because Spirit itself is a compelling investment—at this point, it’s anything but...


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Ok so now we know about the Trump gov't movement to buy it lets get back to the topic and talk about how Mamdani is a terrible socialist ruining the free markets and will destroy other private businesses who have to compete against the companies using gov't dollars.
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TDS is real, and terminal.
 
QP! said:
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So we do not have to talk about the Trump Admin looking to use tax payer to buy huge money loser Spirit Airlines who will then compete private airlines, and adding that stake to the earlier equity purchases by the Trump Admin in Intel Corp, MP Materials, Lithium Americas, Trilogy Metals, Westinghouse, Vulcan Elements, and U.S. Steel.

Wait, what .... a huge taxpayer purchase of a failing cash sink airline we are all talking about (well not 'all', as @Damocles , @T. A. Gardner , @FastLane , etc will have no comment on this as only grocery stores are bad and all else good) and that is on news segments now...

A quick summary if you do not know before getting back to the topic...


How A Fuel Crisis Pushed Spirit Airlines Toward Government Ownership​


...the Trump administration was negotiating a $500 million rescue package for Spirit Airlines, in a deal that could give Washington the option to control as much as 90% of the twice-bankrupt low-cost carrier ...

It’s a remarkable development, and one I believe investors should be aware of. Not because Spirit itself is a compelling investment—at this point, it’s anything but...


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Ok so now we know about the Trump gov't movement to buy it lets get back to the topic and talk about how Mamdani is a terrible socialist ruining the free markets and will destroy other private businesses who have to compete against the companies using gov't dollars.
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why are banker bailouts ok?

wouldn't free market competition be better for the banking industry?
 
Ichabod Stain said:
why are banker bailouts ok?

wouldn't free market competition be better for the banking industry?
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Free market competition is ALWAYS the best option.

Banking Industry issues specifically are more complicated because the big US Banks have gained Oligarchy status via bad US policy going back Nixon and from most Administrations since. What that has meant, that if the big banks go bankrupt, they can take down the Capital markets, see massive amounts of citizen wealth wiped out and other knock on problems that could put America in deep recession.

Obama actually had a chance to fix a lot of that problem, after the Sub Prime Credit big Bank collapse issue, by NOT bailing out the Big Banks and instead pouring all that same amount of tax payer money into Mortgage and Credit Card credits given directly to tax payers to pay down their personal debt.

That would have provided the SAME amount of liquidity to the markets overall but most of it would have went to State banks (where most mortgages and credit cards are held) and that would have lead to far more homes being kept by the owners thus reducing the cascade forced sales that kept happening as the neighbors house sold at great discount, reducing home values and thus putting the next neighbors value and mortgage at risk.

Also by giving the tax payer BACK their money instead of giving it to Wall Street banks, it would have kept them more liquid thus more spending in the market after leading to an even quicker recovery with the benefit of being 'the too big to fail, Wall Street banks' would have been greatly reduced in Oligarchy power as State banks were strengthened.
 
countryboy said:
TDS is real, and terminal.
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It is.

It is demonstrated in the people who will scream 'SOCIALISM ... GROCERY STORE' but absolutely ignore 'SOCIALISM ...AIRLINES... ETC' just because the latter is done by Trump and thus all of a sudden 'socialism is good'.

That is crazy TDS.

I can criticize both as i do not have TDS. You cannot do the same.
 
QP! said:
Free market competition is ALWAYS the best option.

Banking Industry issues specifically are more complicated because the big US Banks have gained Oligarchy status via bad US policy going back Nixon and from most Administrations since. What that has meant, that if the big banks go bankrupt, they can take down the Capital markets, see massive amounts of citizen wealth wiped out and other knock on problems that could put America in deep recession.

Obama actually had a chance to fix a lot of that problem, after the Sub Prime Credit big Bank collapse issue, by NOT bailing out the Big Banks and instead pouring all that same amount of tax payer money into Mortgage and Credit Card credits given directly to tax payers to pay down their personal debt.

That would have provided the SAME amount of liquidity to the markets overall but most of it would have went to State banks (where most mortgages and credit cards are held) and that would have lead to far more homes being kept by the owners thus reducing the cascade forced sales that kept happening as the neighbors house sold at great discount, reducing home values and thus putting the next neighbors value and mortgage at risk.

Also by giving the tax payer BACK their money instead of giving it to Wall Street banks, it would have kept them more liquid thus more spending in the market after leading to an even quicker recovery with the benefit of being 'the too big to fail, Wall Street banks' would have been greatly reduced in Oligarchy power as State banks were strengthened.
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so you can know the right thing in an "IF" scenario.

but you supported the bailouts at the time and still do.

if you can't compete you need to go to the wood chipper.

them's the breaks.

this double standard proves we are fascist, not free trade with actual competition.
 
QP! said:
It is.

It is demonstrated in the people who will scream 'SOCIALISM ... GROCERY STORE' but absolutely ignore 'SOCIALISM ...AIRLINES... ETC' just because the latter is done by Trump and thus all of a sudden 'socialism is good'.

That is crazy TDS.

I can criticize both as i do not have TDS. You cannot do the same.
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banksters too tho.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
so you can know the right thing in an "IF" scenario.

but you supported the bailouts at the time and still do.

if you can't compete you need to go to the wood chipper.

them's the breaks.

this double standard proves we are fascist, not free trade with actual competition.
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I was critical of the WAY Obama did the bailouts since he did them.

I felt bailouts were necessary, due to prior BAD US policy that put the Wall Street Banks into the 'too big to fail' position and not checking that. And i felt Obama had a chance to correct it and be a true populist (give tax payers BACK their money instead of giving it to Wall Street banks) and he caved and gave to the Big banks instead.

So no, you are wrong about my position.
 
QP! said:
It is.

It is demonstrated in the people who will scream 'SOCIALISM ... GROCERY STORE' but absolutely ignore 'SOCIALISM ...AIRLINES... ETC' just because the latter is done by Trump and thus all of a sudden 'socialism is good'.

That is crazy TDS.

I can criticize both as i do not have TDS. You cannot do the same.
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No, it's demonstrated in the inability of some people to discuss any topic without referencing President Trump.
 
QP! said:
I was critical of the WAY Obama did the bailouts since he did them.

I felt bailouts were necessary, due to prior BAD US policy that put the Wall Street Banks into the 'too big to fail' position and not checking that. And i felt Obama had a chance to correct it and be a true populist (give tax payers BACK their money instead of giving it to Wall Street banks) and he caved and gave to the Big banks instead.

So no, you are wrong about my position.
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that what I said.

you were for them.

you can only entertain the right thing as an imaginary exercise.

I am correct about your position.
 
countryboy said:
No, it's demonstrated in the inability of some people to discuss any topic without referencing President Trump.
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No it demonstrated in the inability of some people to NEVER discuss any topic where Trump is doing something worse while acting like they are offended by something lesser.

That is what is called hypocrisy and also extreme TDS. If Trump is opening 10 times the grocery stores as Mandami and you ignore that while crying about Mandami, you have mental illness known as TDS.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
that what I said.

you were for them.

you can only entertain the right thing as an imaginary exercise.

I am correct about your position.
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For what?

The tax payers being given back their tax dollars by Obama so they could pay down their own mortgages at their State bank?

Yes i was for the gov't giving back tax payers their dollars and if you think that is wrong and bad that is on you.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
banker bailouts.

you said they were necessary.

quit shucking and jiving.
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False. You need to learn how to read better.

I pointed out that for decades bad US policy created this 'Too Big To Fail ' oligarchy banks that if allowed to fail would massively harm massive amounts of tax payers while driving the US into deep recession due to they're severe liquidity crisis.

MY ANSWER WAS NOT bank bailouts but instead tax payer bailouts. Give the taxpayers back their money in the Tax Payer bailouts which then would go directly to mid sized State banks mostly, addressing the broader liquidity crisis and greatly diminishing the power of those Too big to Fail, banks.
 
QP! said:
False. You need to learn how to read better.

I pointed out that for decades bad US policy created this 'Too Big To Fail ' oligarchy banks that if allowed to fail would massively harm massive amounts of tax payers while driving the US into deep recession due to they're severe liquidity crisis.

MY ANSWER WAS NOT bank bailouts but instead tax payer bailouts. Give the taxpayers back their money in the Tax Payer bailouts which then would go directly to mid sized State banks mostly, addressing the broader liquidity crisis and greatly diminishing the power of those Too big to Fail, banks.
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but you did say they were necessary.
 
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